it was hardly a snatched win and the reason there was hardly any people there is because it was down south, nobody new it was on unless they were already fans and it was at 6oclock on a friday night so theres no time to get down for fans unless they finish early or are unemployed.

ooooh someones not happy about bein pushed out of the play offs by these " aussie ringers and team rejects" sounds like a bit of sour milk to me

Funny how at the beginning of the season we were laughed at for having a team of has-been journeymen Ausies who couldn't get a job anywhere decent. Now we have won a few matches, they suddenly become "ringers". Hmmm sounds like sour grapes to me.

Just wondered why the Crusaders played the game at the Gnoll instead of at Wrexham??
Or was it to bring the game closer to their (supporters) in South Wales where the are actually from therefore boost the crowd figures.
Dont give me all this about fans not making the game because of the early kick off etc you were originally based in South wales so the majority of your support is there not in Wrexham.
Also it made it easier for the Larnden contingent to get there as its practically one straight road instead of P***ing about getting to wrexham.
Before long as it is going Crusaders will be playing in Chester to make it easier for the HEARTLAND supporters to get there.

Why do you not also take off the one off novelty value matches where you got ONE 10,000+ crowd (which you will never get again, to which the rest of the season's attendances are testament)?

"Hardly anybody is interested in League down south"?

In like for like matches you guys average 3900 attendance. The Celtic Cru were only 566 lower. Consider that you are now on the doorstep of the "heartland" teams so are probably getting at least 50% extra travelling fans. Considfer also that your foreign legion actually won a lot more matches than we did in 2009 and that TINY difference in attendances does not seem very impressive eh?

You would not HAVE a RL team if it were not for South Wales. Every team YOU tried to start up failed because you weren't handed a SL license.

You had to take OUR team to have your tiny limited success.

=#FF4000Gimp!

If you actually renamed yourselves Chester-somewhere near wales-Crusaders you would still have your franchise because youve still got Wales in the name!!!

You really should know what you are talking about before trolling. You and grendal, He's just bitter because the crusaders were forced to move up north after no one wanting us down south. If it wasn't for wrexham we wouldn't have the crusaders at all you dumb idiot.

Wallet mouth - The games were played in south wales because of a contractual obligation. The majority of our support does not come from south wales anymore. Do you really believe that >2500 travel to wrexham from south wales for every game. Don't be such an idiot.

Also grendal, when you see the figures that the crusaders will bring in, in the last two home games of the season, i believe you will have absolutly nothing to say. Considering they have sold 4000 tickets allready for the saints game, i wouldn't bet far from a sellout. Again hull take their fair few to away games, and it could be all or nothing for a play-off spot. Again will be a bumper crowd.

So say you get 8500 at saints, and a conservative 5000 at hull, thats quite a considerable upgrade on the 3600 we had on average at the brewery.

*and before you ask i'm from bridgend*

You mean Rovers, Robins or KR not Hull. Hull is Hull FC!

heh heh, my bad

Wow insults and why are you refering to you as in Crusaders i dont support them im a FC fan and also i belive you are an old Crudaders fan and its true in the south of wales you were a huge flop that won 2 or 3 games i cant remember but now in the north they have decent crowds and are in 8th a huge improvement.

Gimp

Take it from someone who actually lives here there is a great interest in Rugby League here in South Wales.
Go into a pub here on a Friday night when the SL match is on and there plenty of people watching it often over whatever football might be on as well. Unfortunately the Celtic Crusaders was the vicitm of poor timing and bad financial managment in building too quickly enough , why Heartland fans expect a club in a non traditional area to suddenly compete with them in terms of attendances and set up is astounding to be honest. The Celtic Crusaders was not given enough time to settle and establish local support and playing foundations either , I sincerely hope the Crusaders are on both fronts. Then we might finally be able to see some real long term benefits and establishing Rugby League professionally as a Sport of choice for the people of Wales, North or South.

The great Behemoth that is Union here can't honestly testify to that yet either.

I will take your point but the fact was the south Cru were brought into superleague to soon and should of been in NL 1 for a couple of years to build up a good fanbase bring in some welsh talent to get rid of the team full of aussies argument. But the RFL are expansion mad and forced a ill prepared Cru side to take a leap about a hundred feet to far for the club at that time.

haha yep at least we got that but you cant blame cru fans for not being able to turn up to a game that was on the other side of the country at 6 oclock on a friday nnight so only people that finish early or are unemployed would be able to make it plus it was against quins who dont take away fans if it was in wrexham at normal time there would be about 5000

and where did you get that from?

you obviuosly dont no much do you the reason crusaders moved away is because of bad attendences and to try something new and it payed off according to the 10800 that went to the first game of the season and the game in south wales was in neath not in bridgend where they used to be

they are also playing hull fc.

in south wales the scorpions are playing in and they are getting bigger crowds than the rugby union team in bridgend (where the cru were) and they get 1000 on decent games which is good attendencee for a championship 1 game so there is rl interest in south wales is just all don turn out to games they need to play a cru game near begining of next season at bridgend where they used to play and advertise it alot round bridgend and cardiff or wherever so people that are intersted will show up maybee a couple of hundered from wrexham and see what the crowd is like if it isnt bad do another game but dont do often so it is a big occasion for fans down there so they most turn out

But not at home. The probable 12,000 plus attendance at the KC won't affect our average home attendance!

Can't see RL ever taking off in South Wales, it never worked in 1996 with the South Wales Dragons, never worked for the Celtic Crusaders and with an attendandce of 1,122 against quins for the Crusaders what does that say, this is the 3rd attempt and they still have finiancial problems, having read some posts on Wrexham football club websites there not too happy with the Cru's either, I think Wrexham has been a blessing fro Cru's, improved gates, possible play-offs, but they need to sort there finance out of they will not have a franchise fron 2012 onwards....

In the first year of superleague, the crusaders had an average crowd better than two superleague clubs. Salford and quins. People talk about the game going nowhere in south wales, quickly forget all the facts. There is no reason at all why the game can't work in south wales.

We had some nightmare things to deal with

The british lions tests. Terrible timing for a team looking for big crowds.

The leighton samuwell factor, I know a massive group of supporters that would not watch the crusaders because he was funding them.

The two games played down south this year were beyond a joke, for reasons you can find everywhere.

What the previous attempts show scudley is that poor attempts at expansion and the failure to set up an effective playing base due to a range of factors economic and political stopped Welsh development in its tracks. in 1996 Union had just become professional and all the Welsh talent in League moved back to Union and to more lucrative contracts. Now we can't compete with the four 'regions' and the WRU in terms of money but we can offer the vast Rugby playing pool here in the South an option that wasn't there before, local professional Rugby league, It might never be No.1 here, but I certainly think we can have a competitive side competiting near the top of the game on that basis we are better suited to succeeding than in Wrexham I think they'll agree, but this isn't North v South.



You need to understand the problems to provide effective solutions here, simply saying League won't take off because of a couple of lowish crowds is missing the point entirely.

I agree RL will never be the No1 game in Wales, and the expansion will take time and effort, but fans vote with their feet, and RL is a business after all, money through the turnstiles provide revenue for the club to invest in Players, if no fans are coming through the turnstiles, no money to invest, and then you have a shortfall in finances, and with the Franchise coming up next year all these factors will be looked into, Wrexham has been a blessing for the Crusaders due to the localaty to the NW and Yorkshire and that has shown in increased gates, from Wakefield Wrexham is 2 hours away Bridgend / Cardiff is 4 hours away, meaning overnight stays, more petrol money and so on, Wigan / Warrington / Saints, are closer to Wrexham than Cas/ Wakey / Leeds / Bradford. Fact's dont lie Cas 1,495 Salford 2,412 Quins 1,122 there 3 away games and the 3 lowest attendances this year ?. Stick to Wrexham it's working...

my dad went to pretty much all the celtic crusaders games at bridgend and newport and he agrees that moving to wrexham was the best thing for the cluba nd it has been proved by the gates increase and there current 8th place in the league but i think that the celtic crusders would have developed after a few years and got decent crowds but they were just unfortunate not to be given the otpion to show that as if they had bad crowds they may have had to go back down to the championship so it had to be rushed to get everything better as quick as possible.

i do think it is a good idea to play 1 or 2 games down south as the fans down there did turn out evry week to watch a team lose so they did show loyalty and should be rewarded in some way but i think they need to advertise it more so they can get decent crowds so we want to do one down there and another key thing is not to do it at 6 o clock on a friday no wonder knowone could go plus knowone new it was on because of no advertising.

Agreed but that was poor marketing on the Club's behalf, they should have been shouting it from the rooftops all way down the valleys