Armstrong played a couple of games last season. This season he's been on dual reg with Leigh and only got brought back last week due to our injuries.

Eastmond, well let's not talk about that, we all know what happens. Suffice to say, when he has played for us, our own fans boo him.

Foster, yes. He's very good, not denying that ( if only I was 20 years younger <sigh>icon_wink.gif.

Wilkin. Also very good but in his own post match interview 'never a 6'

I never meant any intent when I said we had a lot of kids out. I said our forwards and second row were first teamers/internationals, call them what you will.

But I still say our kids came very good, especially Ashe, who was only given a shirt number two days ago.

Thought some decisions either way were dodgy, but half the refs are aligned with one team or another so don't think that can be an excuse either.

If Hull had Longy uninjured think it might have been different! You would almost definitely have had a drop goal!

Oh and PS: Wire Wonder is a very very bad troll who apparently spends all his/her spare time trying to think up inflammatory comments to rouse everyone. Fun to answer back but pointless

It wasn't a poor team, but it was well short of their best team.

Letting a Saints fan ref Saints, and any hometown referee officiate in a game involving their hometown is a farce. It is one of the many stupid decisions made by the RFL which makes our sport a laughing stock and keeps us as a minority sport.

hmm sounds like you think I'm trying to use the fact Ganson is a known St Helens fan as a reason.

Wrong I just question the fact any ref who is a supporter or has any ties is allowed too ref teams they have some connection too, the fact the RFL has not done what many other sports have done and made it a rule that refs cannot ref games they have ties with is another reason they are an joke.

what I'm saying has nothing to do with what happened today as personally think Ganson is a joke anyway he always finds someway too make himself the of attention whenever he appears on live tv games.

Agree with this - the thing is that Ganson, Silverwood and Bentham are commonly associated with teams and are also the more prominent refs therefore end up with their 'home' teams frequently for televised ties. We need more refs and ones that are better......

Hull FC v Saint Helens

Referee: Mr Steve Ganson (Saint Helens)

So a referee from the home town he is actually refereeing and HIS family hold SEASON PASSES from Saint Helens....

CREDIBILITY = ZERO

RFL you really are a fckuing joke.

Or turned around the other way we were regularly told by many on here, possibly even yourself, that injuries cannot be used as an excuse.

So a couple of decisions in the 2nd half means he was biased??? Lets just forget some of the forward passes he gave in the first that looked fine? No wonder we have a reputation for blaming refs when it is actually true we blame a ref when we should never have been in the position for the ref to influence the game.

whether you blame the ref or not ,the point is Ganson should not referee any match involving St Helens ,full stop ,its as simple as that ,not rocket science is it

exactly, because at the end of the day he is always going to be accused of bias if the game goes like it did today.

can you imagine if me or you or any of our fans became a ref and progressed to that level. could you give decisions against hull, because at the end of the day being a fan is in your blood.

there's plenty of refs to go round, the rfl needs to end the practice of home town refs doing their teams games now

Everyone is forgetting the penalty given against Sharp in the first half when all he did was run back to field a down field kick.

Spot on.

There's no way any ref should ref his hometown team. It would never happen in Union or Football.

Who are these faceless people who decided this can happen?

Steve Ganson is not a self confessed saints fan. It is known he is a wigan supporter and doesn't like Saints, his ex wife is a saints though. The decision was correct, Washbrook was not looking at the ball, he was looking at the man jumping.If he had turn his head to see the ball coming, he would have been deemed jumping for it, but, he never once looked at the direction of the ball. Correct decision.

Try watching it again like I have done. His eyes were always on the ball.

And Ganson is a St Helens fan, Thats why up until a couple of season ago he wasn't allowed too ref any saints finals

Are you for real? His eyes never left the ball. Your either a moron or a WUM, either way take my advice and do one.

Didn't he once admit that as a child he was a member of the Junior Saints supporters club?

Yes but don't tell the saint's fans that

IIRC no ref could ref the town they was from,not just the team they support.

yeah and the question is why was that rule changed ??

I'm just glad you weren't reffing we'd have lost by 50.

Ganson called it as he saw it at the end - he got it wrong IMO but there you go. Great game between two good sides especially with it being the third in a short space of time. We are scoring some outstanding tries this season and we need to maintain and improve our intensity into the second half of the season to improve on last year's finishing position.

Yes, but only on the full. As it bounced, it was a live ball and Whiting took it into touch by standing on the line when gathering, so Saints H&F was correct.

O'Meley? was moaning about Ganson being in his way too, but he was out the scrum far too quick for a prop, so can't really say owt.

I think no matter who you support we can all agree on the fact being able to reff your hometown team is a bad call from the rfl and needs to be fixed.

9internationals or ex on display, yes weak team.

i think the washbrook decision was wrong, never took his eye off the ball. shame for hull, but they couldn't get any decent possession in the second half.all credit to saints to come from 18 down.its been mentioned about long and phelps missing, but i think radford will improve the side when back. think hull when they do learn to catch the ball and not let it bounce need to return the ball at pace, kick returns seem to be very slow.
all in all disapointed that hull didn't get the 2 points today, think ganson was wrong to award the penalty at the end. but 5 points from 6 over the easter period is a great return considering who we have played.

Silly O'Meley. Fancy getting his ar$e in gear and not expecting to be obstructed by Saints 14th man. That'll "learn" him...