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| Quote ="weaver93"Hall is a young kid, and has played in various positions, he has one bad game
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Other players have had a bad game, they arent immediately dropped.
I personally dont rate Agar at all.
Like i say, credit to the players for the win tonight.'"
I am one of the most anti-Agar posters on here, but to say Hall has had 1 bad game isn't true IMO, he hasn't progressed in 2 years of first team rugby, and it was the correct decision to drop him. He's fighting for his place in the squad and possibly his SL career now IMO
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Well, I didn't hear it, but if he did it's a strange one. Catalan are a very aggressive, sometimes dirty pack. We needed to get stuck into them and that's exactly what Ogre (and a few others) did. It was needed IMO.'"
The interview was broadcast on Humberside after the game, listen to it tomorrow.
There was a good interview with O'Meley pre-match.
He felt, we dont play with enough width.
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| Quote ="UllFC"I am one of the most anti-Agar posters on here, but to say Hall has had 1 bad game isn't true IMO, he hasn't progressed in 2 years of first team rugby, and it was the correct decision to drop him. He's fighting for his place in the squad and possibly his SL career now IMO'"
Not many youngsters have progressed under Agar's regime.
I hope Hall moves on, and another coach polishes off the rough edges in his game.
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| Quote ="weaver93"The interview was broadcast on Humberside after the game, listen to it tomorrow.
There was a good interview with O'Meley pre-match.
He felt, we dont play with enough width.'"
Also a classic quip!
Ogre said " I cant wait to get to France, to get away from the wife for a bit"
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| Quote ="weaver93"How many times has he played centre this year?
Not many!'"
He has had enough to be showing some good signs. One try from distance against Quins is all we have seen really. I like Hall but he has been hit and miss this season.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"He has had enough to be showing some good signs. One try from distance against Quins is all we have seen really. I like Hall but he has been hit and miss this season.'"
What if Hall was coached by a Mcguire or a Nathan Brown??
Do you think, he could be a good centre??
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| Quote ="weaver93"
Like i say, credit to the players for the win tonight.'"
But no credit to Agar?
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| Quote ="weaver93"What if Hall was coached by a Mcguire or a Nathan Brown??
Do you think, he could be a good centre??'"
He has huge potential and I do believe he can be a better player. The thing is it is not down to just the coaching team, the player has to want to improve. Any slight error seems to really affect his confidence and he needs to toughen up a bit mentally imo. Remember he was also coached by Sharp and showed no real improvement under him too.
The one time he did improve was at Widnes but that was not to do with Cullen imo it was down to the fact he was playing at a lower competition level.
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| When we have a good structure,good line speed and players in support,
and our passing is crisper, I'll credit Agar.
One swallow doesnt make a summer!!
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| Quote ="PAUL M"He has huge potential and I do believe he can be a better player. The thing is it is not down to just the coaching team, the player has to want to improve. Any slight error seems to really affect his confidence and he needs to toughen up a bit mentally imo. Remember he was also coached by Sharp and showed no real improvement under him too.
The one time he did improve was at Widnes but that was not to do with Cullen imo it was down to the fact he was playing at a lower competition level.'"
Regarding mental toughness,and confidence, that comes from the Manager to instill it into the player.( but like you say,the player has to want to improve.)
Brian Smith, was very good at doing that with young players, and also with less average players,than we have now at our disposal.
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| Quote ="weaver93"When we have a good structure,good line speed and players in support,
and our passing is crisper, I'll credit Agar.
One swallow doesnt make a summer!!'"
I never said it did however when we lose it lets all bag Agar time, yet when we win it's all credit to the players
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| Quote ="weaver93"Regarding mental toughness,and confidence, that comes from the Manager to instill it into the player.( but like you say,the player has to want to improve.)
Brian Smith, was very good at doing that with young players, and also with less average players,than we have now at our disposal.'"
Ah I thought it would be Agar's fault.
It has to come form within. Look at the amount of coaches Senior and Sinfield have played under or players like Wellens and Cunningham, it's about the players and what they are made of. Hall has the ability but he has to get tougher and has to make better decisions.
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| Quote ="weaver93"Apparently Agar criticised O'Meley tonight on the radio,
He said O'Meley's discipline wasnt up to scratch giving away silly penalties,
and according to the radio, He was M.O.M.
a tad harsh -IMHO.
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Humberside misunderstood Agar he said,
"Too many penalties going on around O'Meley"
He did not say O'Meley was giving penalties away. I thought he was rather saying other players around O'Meley were giving away penalties.
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| Quote ="weaver93"How many times has he played centre this year?
Not many!'"
6, has had one good game and a few poor ones, Hall has been poor-average the last few weeks.
Agar cant win, most fans want Hall dropped he does so, we win and he still gets critised.
Hall has too many weaknesses, not just his defence.
Poor handling.
Poor decsion making with ball in hand.
Lazy, when helping the team out.
Maybe a chance of club and coach will do him good, but he has worked under 3 coachs now and still has hit is supposed potential.
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| Quote ="weaver93"Apparently Agar criticised O'Meley tonight on the radio,
He said O'Meley's discipline wasnt up to scratch giving away silly penalties,
and according to the radio, He was M.O.M.
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Seemed odd to me when he said it. Couldn't work out if he meant o'meley or the team as a whole
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| Quote ="Dave K."6, has had one good game and a few poor ones, Hall has been poor-average the last few weeks.
Agar cant win, most fans want Hall dropped he does so, we win and he still gets critised.
Hall has too many weaknesses, not just his defence.
Poor handling.
Poor decsion making with ball in hand.
Lazy, when helping the team out.
Maybe a chance of club and coach will do him good, but he has worked under 3 coachs now and still has hit is supposed potential.'"
fully agree, I've been one of halls biggests fans but I feel that a dual regristration maybe the way to go.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"He has huge potential and I do believe he can be a better player. The thing is it is not down to just the coaching team, the player has to want to improve. Any slight error seems to really affect his confidence and he needs to toughen up a bit mentally imo. Remember he was also coached by Sharp and showed no real improvement under him too.
The one time he did improve was at Widnes but that was not to do with Cullen imo it was down to the fact he was playing at a lower competition level.'"
Sorry Paul but the bit about being at a lower level just isnt true........Cullen coached him right and he improved....that was from the mouth of a Widnes player at the time Hall was there.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"For heavens lets lighten up a bit, your looking to be only happy when your whinging, we have had plenty of justified scope for that of late but we have won, somewhat against the odds. They have one of the hardest packs and best benches in the league, The Dobbins could not beat em with a near full strength team, but we shaped up, despite giving a youngster a firsts start and being light on the bench, and we faced up to them and for once our tactics were right, and we never really seemed to look like losing. Its always hard to go there and we got two points, lets enjoy it till Monday at least!'"
Jesus...more spin than Shane Warene.......They are bottom for a reason and its about time we beat a low team....the 3 other teams to beat us at the bottom didnt have the pack and best benches but they still did it......the returning players made Agars job easier but still wont stop you getting your crusty sock out whilst writing it up in your diary.
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| Quote ="weaver93"When we have a good structure,good line speed and players in support,
and our passing is crisper, I'll credit Agar.'"
Just watched the highlights. I await your post giving Agar some credit, because we improved a lot in all those areas IMO. Our first try in particular is a gem.
As for Hall... I've defended him plenty, but so far this season he's been disappointing to say the least. The last couple of performances were more than enough to justify him being dropped IMO. Up to him now to fight for his place.
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| We beat the worst team (by some distance IMO) in SL, we have been garbage for weeks leading to the win. A long way to go before we start dishing out 'credit' IMO.
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| Quote ="Dr Hfuhruhurr"We beat the worst team (by some distance IMO) in SL, we have been garbage for weeks leading to the win. A long way to go before we start dishing out 'credit' IMO.'"
Yet there would have been plenty of bitching on here (including from me ) if we'd lost. Can't have it both ways. No one's saying we've turned a corner or are top 4 material after a win against the bottom club, but you have to turn up in SL to win and that's what we did.
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| Quote ="Dr Hfuhruhurr"We beat the worst team (by some distance IMO) in SL, we have been garbage for weeks leading to the win. A long way to go before we start dishing out 'credit' IMO.'" A wins a win and if they deserve some credit then so be it. It sounded like a few players played well which warrants credit!
We all know theres a long way to go and much improvement to be had also
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| Quote ="Dr Hfuhruhurr"We beat the worst team (by some distance IMO) in SL, we have been garbage for weeks leading to the win. A long way to go before we start dishing out 'credit' IMO.'"
Catalans aren't the worst team imo, and certainly not by "some distance." They have started poorly with Bosc etc being out of the side but they had looked like they were starting to get it together the last couple of weeks. We were still missing key players and going their place is never easy for any side, however we got the job done convincingly, which is all you can ask. Hopefully it will give us some much needed confidence going into a key part of the season.
Oh, and when the boot is on the other foot and we lose games we didn't expect to win there is plenty of criticism, so why can't we give out credit for games we expect to win?
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| Any away win is a good result.
The performance especially the defence sounded good and we won comfy. what so people want?
Keep Long fit and we have a chance of doing well this season.
Must back it up next week though.
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| Quote ="Dr Hfuhruhurr"We beat the worst team (by some distance IMO) in SL, we have been garbage for weeks leading to the win. A long way to go before we start dishing out 'credit' IMO.'"
As others have said, we give out flak when there's a bad performance so why not credit when there's a good one? You can't have it both ways.
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