[quote="Dave K.":1wpkr702]Maybe don't belive the rumours, it's purley guesswork or Rovers fans starting rumours. Which UK based halfback should we have gone for, we have cap space, but it's hard to get people to sign for us in the position we are in.[/quote:1wpkr702] It's been reported he's a marquee signing (could have been referring to his shirt size is guess) so I'm sure the amount is somewhere near what he's getting. I'm not sure who I would have signed but i wouldn't have thrown half a million quid at an unfit, injury prone abdul

[quote="Jake the Peg":1tsdjj0j]It's been reported he's a marquee signing (could have been referring to his shirt size is guess) so I'm sure the amount is somewhere near what he's getting. I'm not sure who I would have signed but i wouldn't have thrown half a million quid at an unfit, injury prone abdul[/quote:1tsdjj0j] Domestic marquee can be anything over 50k. No quality domestic halfs, as I've highlighted, so we we didn't have too much choice, definitely a risk, but one we had to take, still might pay off, not a great start, let's see what happens.

[quote="Jake the Peg":ks64wq1d]It's been reported he's a marquee signing (could have been referring to his shirt size is guess) so I'm sure the amount is somewhere near what he's getting. I'm not sure who I would have signed but i wouldn't have thrown half a million quid at an unfit, injury prone abdul[/quote:ks64wq1d] He could be earning only £70k (not that I think he will be) and he would still be a marquee signing as he would need naming as one so that only his £50k counts on the cap.

Half a million. You know for a fact do you ?

[quote="mwindass":1ue1ul8x]Thirkill isn't short of 100k or 2[/quote:1ue1ul8x] And he hasn't accumulated so much cash by wasting it

[quote="Dave K.":1uauwcne]Domestic marquee can be anything over 50k. No quality domestic halfs, as I've highlighted, so we we didn't have too much choice, definitely a risk, but one we had to take, still might pay off, not a great start, let's see what happens.[/quote:1uauwcne] We didn't have to take it. We have cust, sezer and a couple of younger players as back ups.

[quote="hull2524":2duq4ul8]Half a million. You know for a fact do you ?[/quote:2duq4ul8] No, but I'll bet it nearer that than £250k

From the outside it does seem daft that we didn’t get the knee clear out done as soon as he became a Hull player, it was said he needed it while at Catalans, he’s on a three year deal I’d always be looking long term. Who knows maybe he just wanted to crack on and get stuck in with pre season or maybe he has just took a knock that wasn’t expected. I’m not just saying now because he’s had a set back but I always thought our best balanced 6 and 7 combo would have been Cust and Sezer anyway. The bigger problem would be if it’s effected our dummy half rotation plans with Cust, but the indication is that Borough is rated highly and Balmforth is having a good pre season. DT has also said that Cust has been training at 6 and not dummy half so again maybe not too much disruption just a like for like swap with Cust and JA.

[quote="bonaire":2qvpm3zp]In Ritchie we trust[/quote:2qvpm3zp] I was as sceptical about the take over happening as anyone, but it’s official now and it looks they’ve already put a decent amount of investment in the club. I’d also have Myler down as someone who’s pretty thick skinned himself. I admire your dedication to your club but I’d just give it up for now at least, Myler and the board are not going to pack up and leave us in the lurch already just because one Rovers fan pretending to be a Hull fan on a message board is always sticking the boot in. Give it a season or two of bad results and then try the Trojan horse act again, believe it or not there’s a bit of a feel good factor around the club at the moment.

[quote="DSJ1983":3rusit2y]I was as sceptical about the take over happening as anyone, but it’s official now and it looks they’ve already put a decent amount of investment in the club. I’d also have Myler down as someone who’s pretty thick skinned himself. I admire your dedication to your club but I’d just give it up for now at least, Myler and the board are not going to pack up and leave us in the lurch already just because one Rovers fan pretending to be a Hull fan on a message board is always sticking the boot in. Give it a season or two of bad results and then try the Trojan horse act again, believe it or not there’s a bit of a feel good factor around the club at the moment.[/quote:3rusit2y] The feel good factor comes from having two guys in charge who have money and its money the club need to turn this around. A few big up player reports in the HDM may excite the optimistic and deluded on here but reality is the squad is poor quality put together by a novice whos first major mistake is now seen signing a crocked Abdul on a lucrative three year deal. You only have to look at our backline of Barron,Hardaker,Chamberlain and Briscoe to see how poor most of Ritchies recruitment has been and if Cross is signed its hardly a major step up.We should be aiming higher and showing R/L that we have ambition and the financial backing of two wealthy owners. Quality not quantity.He didnt have to sign a player just because he thinks there is no one else around.Get off your backside and find what we need Lets face it would he be the DOR of Hull Fc if his father in Law was not the part owner of the club.NO My feeling is we have wasted a building opportunity for 2025 which because of the length of contracts will undoubtably effect what we can do in 2026 when that year should have been the real step up year with three quality possibly marquee players accquired. Thats highly unlikely now unless we have another large player movement out and that means paying off several contracted players to make room which again costs the club money. As for me being a Rovers fan thats way off the mark and anyone can see that by simply checking my profile but what i will say is that they have a well laid out strategy for the future a very good coach,lots of ambition and have put together a very good squad for 2025. Will we get anywhere near defeating them on the pitch i very much doubt it

[quote="bonaire":2ovcigc0]The feel good factor comes from having two guys in charge who have money and its money the club need to turn this around. A few big up player reports in the HDM may excite the optimistic and deluded on here but reality is the squad is poor quality put together by a novice whos first major mistake is now seen signing a crocked Abdul on a lucrative three year deal. You only have to look at our backline of Barron,Hardaker,Chamberlain and Briscoe to see how poor most of Ritchies recruitment has been and if Cross is signed its hardly a major step up.We should be aiming higher and showing R/L that we have ambition and the financial backing of two wealthy owners. Quality not quantity.He didnt have to sign a player just because he thinks there is no one else around.Get off your backside and find what we need [b:2ovcigc0]Lets face it would he be the DOR of Hull Fc if his father in Law was not the part owner of the club.NO[/b:2ovcigc0] My feeling is we have wasted a building opportunity for 2025 which because of the length of contracts will undoubtably effect what we can do in 2026 when that year should have been the real step up year with three quality possibly marquee players accquired. Thats highly unlikely now unless we have another large player movement out and that means paying off several contracted players to make room which again costs the club money. As for me being a Rovers fan thats way off the mark and anyone can see that by simply checking my profile but what i will say is that they have a well laid out strategy for the future a very good coach,lots of ambition and have put together a very good squad for 2025. Will we get anywhere near defeating them on the pitch i very much doubt it[/quote:2ovcigc0] Hope you feel this passionately about Danson at Wigan putting hisson on the board there. It happens in a lot of businesses, it's not just an FC thing. Just out of interest which experienced sports administrator should Pearson or Thirkill have appointed instead? Gus Gould? Shame you didn't go to that fans forum, you could've told Myler all about your much better plan and how to roll it out.

[quote="bonaire":2vkl5kl3]The feel good factor comes from having two guys in charge who have money and its money the club need to turn this around. A few big up player reports in the HDM may excite the optimistic and deluded on here but reality is the squad is poor quality put together by a novice whos first major mistake is now seen signing a crocked Abdul on a lucrative three year deal. You only have to look at our backline of Barron,Hardaker,Chamberlain and Briscoe to see how poor most of Ritchies recruitment has been and if Cross is signed its hardly a major step up.We should be aiming higher and showing R/L that we have ambition and the financial backing of two wealthy owners. Quality not quantity.He didnt have to sign a player just because he thinks there is no one else around.Get off your backside and find what we need Lets face it would he be the DOR of Hull Fc if his father in Law was not the part owner of the club.NO My feeling is we have wasted a building opportunity for 2025 which because of the length of contracts will undoubtably effect what we can do in 2026 when that year should have been the real step up year with three quality possibly marquee players accquired. Thats highly unlikely now unless we have another large player movement out and that means paying off several contracted players to make room which again costs the club money. As for me being a Rovers fan thats way off the mark and anyone can see that by simply checking my profile but what i will say is that they have a well laid out strategy for the future a very good coach,lots of ambition and have put together a very good squad for 2025. Will we get anywhere near defeating them on the pitch i very much doubt it[/quote:2vkl5kl3] Did you have a happy Christmas?

[quote="bonaire":2ozejnua]The feel good factor comes from having two guys in charge who have money and its money the club need to turn this around. A few big up player reports in the HDM may excite the optimistic and deluded on here but reality is the squad is poor quality put together by a novice whos first major mistake is now seen signing a crocked Abdul on a lucrative three year deal. You only have to look at our backline of Barron,Hardaker,Chamberlain and Briscoe to see how poor most of Ritchies recruitment has been and if Cross is signed its hardly a major step up.We should be aiming higher and showing R/L that we have ambition and the financial backing of two wealthy owners. Quality not quantity.He didnt have to sign a player just because he thinks there is no one else around.Get off your backside and find what we need Lets face it would he be the DOR of Hull Fc if his father in Law was not the part owner of the club.NO My feeling is we have wasted a building opportunity for 2025 which because of the length of contracts will undoubtably effect what we can do in 2026 when that year should have been the real step up year with three quality possibly marquee players accquired. Thats highly unlikely now unless we have another large player movement out and that means paying off several contracted players to make room which again costs the club money. As for me being a Rovers fan thats way off the mark and anyone can see that by simply checking my profile but what i will say is that they have a well laid out strategy for the future a very good coach,lots of ambition and have put together a very good squad for 2025. Will we get anywhere near defeating them on the pitch i very much doubt it[/quote:2ozejnua] Honestly I’m not a rovers fan

[quote="bonaire":7pb7iltv] Lets face it would he be the DOR of Hull Fc if his father in Law was not the part owner of the club.NO [/quote:7pb7iltv] This is just the biggest non issue for me. If the owners had appointed Myler as the head coach or even a player you’d maybe have a point, but there’s no real blueprint that makes a successful DOR, I’m not sure every club even has one. Look at Radlinksi at Wigan, he didn’t work his way up to the Wigan job by being a DOR at smaller clubs or having previous experience in the role, he’s just a guy that the Wigan hierarchy obviously know and trust who has rugby experience who wanted to progress into a business role rather then coaching. Myler obviously has the trust of his father in law, and it’s essentially an off field business role, people in business appoint people they know and trust. It happens everywhere. Myler has the benefit of a very successful RL career, something that James Clark in a similar role lacked and what we all cried out for years, there’s no reason why he couldn’t be a great fit for the role. That’s not to say he’s going to be success and get everything right, as I said in far from convinced with recruitment but it’s been explained over and over again that there has to be some realistic expectations with players willing to sign and how we’ll have to build to being a play off side. We went for Lam, Sailor, Sullivan, Whitehead and likely countless others who didn’t want to come here. You mention Rovers, it’s cliche but they didn’t get there overnight. Players like Milnes, Wood, Ryan, Hadley, King etc all helped them build a solid squad in recent years, there’s no reason why players like Chamberlain, Holmes, Hardaker can’t do a similar job for us. It’s at best a 2-3 year project. Cross has lots of pace and has a proven record for a top 6 side over 3 seasons now. If we pull it off it’s the absolute best realistic signing we could hope for. We are not going to poach the best players from the likes of Rovers, Wigan, Wire, Saints etc it’s just not going to happen and we are unlikely to ever jump from 3 wins in season to contender's in less then 2-3 years without a miracle.

Wasting your time, had it in for Myler from the start and won't give him a chance. Had the chance to say hid views to Myler at the forum, but didn't go and chooses to moan amd complain but offers no solutions, ideas or anything of value to this forum.

I don't like how coaches talk in riddles at times about injuries, think it would be best if Abdul just gets the operation now and then can get a good run of games for the club later in the season. Wonder if Salford would let us loan Sneyd whilst they sort their finances out...

This argument is poor for me because the whole situation on recruitment is summed up in one sentence. If you were an up and coming or even an established success in Super League at the end of last season when talent was in short supply and every team was looking, would you have come to Hull FC? Because of the salary cap you can't pay phenomenal amounts to several players, so across the board I think we have probably compared with this time last season, got the best we could get!! For me, its certainly a lot better squad.

Hull really needed a clean slate after last year. With new ownership, a new coach and a squad that has been rebuilt very quickly, you have got that. The fresh start is definitely a positive but it does mean that this year and probably next year, to a lesser degree, will have to be about getting foundations in place. Myler’s job, so far, could be seen as easy or difficult depending on how you look at it - because what else could he do? Money can accelerate a rebuild but in fairness the new owners have already put in quite a bit, by RL standards, just to stop the club from going under. It’s easy to think ‘what’s a few million here or there, when you’re that wealthy?’, especially when it is somebody else’s money. It’s worth remembering that a lot of that wealth will be in businesses, investments and property that they won’t want to liquidate, rather than sat in current accounts waiting to be spent on transfer fees or big marquee wages. They won’t want to be embarrassed and I’m sure there’s plenty enough to make a difference over time. But the ‘no money out for 3 years’ thing feels like it was included in Pearson’s statement to temper expectations. Possibly, optimistically.

8-10 weeks out for Abdull i've been told this morning.

[quote="RockNRolla":13q2zmlw]8-10 weeks out for Abdull i've been told this morning.[/quote:13q2zmlw] Is he having the procedure? If so that’s not too bad considering the SL season starts in 6 weeks?

[quote="RockNRolla":1pe5a4il]8-10 weeks out for Abdull i've been told this morning.[/quote:1pe5a4il] Then back for a match, knee goes agai and we send him for the op

[quote="RockNRolla":1jp094d4]8-10 weeks out for Abdull i've been told this morning.[/quote:1jp094d4] Is that the knee clean out or rehab?

[quote="Mild Rover":1fetbbod]Hull really needed a clean slate after last year. With new ownership, a new coach and a squad that has been rebuilt very quickly, you have got that. The fresh start is definitely a positive but it does mean that this year and probably next year, to a lesser degree, [b:1fetbbod]will have to be about getting foundations in place.[/b:1fetbbod] Myler’s job, so far, could be seen as easy or difficult depending on how you look at it - because what else could he do? Money can accelerate a rebuild but in fairness the new owners have already put in quite a bit, by RL standards, just to stop the club from going under. It’s easy to think ‘what’s a few million here or there, when you’re that wealthy?’, especially when it is somebody else’s money. It’s worth remembering that a lot of that wealth will be in businesses, investments and property that they won’t want to liquidate, rather than sat in current accounts waiting to be spent on transfer fees or big marquee wages. They won’t want to be embarrassed and I’m sure there’s plenty enough to make a difference over time. But the ‘no money out for 3 years’ thing feels like it was included in Pearson’s statement to temper expectations. Possibly, optimistically. [/quote:1fetbbod] You are Kier Starmer and I claim my £5

[quote="The Dentist Wilf":1eb510k4]This argument is poor for me because the whole situation on recruitment is summed up in one sentence. If you were an up and coming or even an established success in Super League at the end of last season when talent was in short supply and every team was looking, would you have come to Hull FC? Because of the salary cap you can't pay phenomenal amounts to several players, so across the board I think we have probably compared with this time last season, got the best we could get!! For me, its certainly a lot better squad.[/quote:1eb510k4] We have room on the salary cap now and if we hadnt wasted money on signing the likes of Chamberlain,Briscoe and Abdul then it would have been quite possible to add two quality players. Little point saying would players come to Hull FC .You have to have the ability to sell the club to players irrespective of last seasons position.Pearson did it with Gaz Ellis and im sure Motu has had to do some selling when at the club then there was the Bunting era when someone at the club did a great job of promoting Hull FC Some people have that abilty others dont I agree the squad is more experienced should be stronger on the field and if the fitness levels are raised much higher which it seems is happening under Cartwright then we should compete but lack of strike in the backline is alarming and we dont have the forward strength to dominate teams up front to compensate

[quote="bonaire":adj2o5z4]We have room on the salary cap now and if we hadnt wasted money on signing the likes of Chamberlain,Briscoe and Abdul then it would have been quite possible to add two quality players. Little point saying would players come to Hull FC .You have to have the ability to sell the club to players irrespective of last seasons position.Pearson did it with Gaz Ellis and im sure Motu has had to do some selling when at the club then there was the Bunting era when someone at the club did a great job of promoting Hull FC Some people have that abilty others dont I agree the squad is more experienced should be stronger on the field and if the fitness levels are raised much higher which it seems is happening under Cartwright then we should compete but lack of strike in the backline is alarming and we dont have the forward strength to dominate teams up front to compensate[/quote:adj2o5z4] I would respectively suggest that in answer to your points selling the club to Gareth Ellis with a team that had just finished 6th in the League, had an average attendance of well over 11,000 and had Yeaman Tickle Westerman O'Meley, Willie Manu Tom Briscoe Richard Horne Heramaia and Rich Whiting all signed up was a lot easier than selling the rag bag we had representing us last season to anyone!! The same goes for Motu who benefitted greatly by the number of NRL players who were clambering to get to Super league because the difference between the two leagues was so much closer and he had the contacts in abundance. And as for Arthur Bunting, he oversaw an era in which I only missed 7 games home and away. Well he inherited two big signings from DDD and then attracted the best players in the British game to the club simply by offering them '3 times more than any one else could afford' if we wanted a player we just got him, as we were at the time the richest club in the game. With no salary cap issues we had all the money. I once asked Knocker exactly why he signed for us and he replied very honestly for the money. I still maintain that selling the current HullFC to players in a buyers market such as exists in Super League at present was a tough one. We have actually got a couple of players I would never have thought we would have. Give Myler and Cartwright and indeed our new owners a chance for once.