Correct bso why do some choose to make a huge drama out of a non existent crisis. The only downgrade so far that genuinely affect the rebuild is that of the North stand reduction. Everything else is purely cosmetic.

Even the reduction in the North stand capacity will have no effect on revenue as I think it will be some time before we exceed a capacity of 7,600 on anything like a regular basis and when we do then we address it at the time.

On the face of it, this is odd.
Why the sudden need to make amendments? You've already alluded to reducing cost?
But why?
Wouldn't the club have agreed a fixed cost with the developer before the works started?
And agreed the details of the job in prior knowledge of the available budget?

Not on material cost they won't, in most cases all costs are estimates, rarely are they fixed. All developments generally go over budget due to delays and unforeseen costs, but in the current climate its not a possibility it's an absolute certainty.

No developer will build at a loss, that would be stupid, so it's always an estimate rarely a fixed cost. It simply wouldn't work and wouldn't benefit us, the last thing we want is for our construction company to go bust half way through.

We have two choices. Find more money and we clearly can't or cut costs. I'd also suggest this isn't the end, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if there are not a few more to come. We simply couldn't have started building at a worse time, that's just a fact.

P*sses me off as much as anyone else but it's just how it is.

I think it's the value part too.
If that was seen to be bigger than we needed why waste the money.
No different to any other project. Requirements are adjusted based on current situation.

Costs are only going one way, we have a finite pot of cash, the value of which is ever decreasing the longer the build goes on. Much as an Energy company will not give you a fixed cost, or if they do they will inflate it to protect themselves, a contractor in the current climate will have mechanisms in their quote to cover risings costs, or they will submit an elevated figure to cover increases. Pure bad timings unfortunately. The designs were done some years back based on £12m budget, the reality of the build 3 years later is hitting home.

It’s amazing how mentioning the reduction in roof overhang when asking about the fan Zone going ahead, as this was hoped to raise revenue on match days, could raise so much debate. I’ve no problem with the club cutting building costs where practical, I know the redevelopment is a vital part when/if IMG announce licensing in the very near future.

Who’s made a huge drama about it?

If it was aimed at me I don’t know why.
I just thought 24 feet of roof seemed a lot and asked a question which instead of a normal straight answer I got your usual condescension and derision

Have a look at Harris Construction gone bust millions on the books in work but material costs have bust them.

If costs continue to raise we will end up with a half built main stand for years ala Halifax!

Shouldn't think so as the bulk of the materials will now have been purchased. It's not buying now that's the issue, as once purchased that is the price. The problem is the time lag between when the plans were first costed 18 month ago and the costs today. There will always be some shift, but at the time nobody anticipated inflation running at 10%, maybe more in the construction industry which is volatile at the best of times.

What we've done is cut no essentials to allow the core development and we won't be alone in that.

Just to let you all know, all being well I'm meeting JM tonight.

It's basically to pass on your concerns about the redevelopment and general issues.

I will report back whatever I can, but be assured I will have passed on all the sensible questions that you have all asked over the last six week or so.

Thanks

Good to know Vasty.

Long term, Rome wasn't built in a day, it would be good to see a bit of tarting up other sides, such as the west and south.

Some good old photos of the old South stand on facebook the other day. Wasn't the Benidorm flats only meant to be a temporary solution. With this, I'm not thinking something all singing and dancing, but maybe a slightly better structure. It does have a feel of portakabins stacked on top of each other. We do have a large function room in the new east stand, but what about some slightly smaller ones, say to seat 8-16 people or so, for smaller business meetings

Thanks for that .Know you will not be able to spill all the beans.,but if it stopped half the rumers it will be worth it .

To be honest I hope I can spill all the beans, that's my aim. I'm really not into knowing things, I'm far happier sharing. And to be honest they didn't talk about anything last time that I couldn't talk about on here.

So hopefully I will have the answers to all or most of the stadium question. On field stuff I'll find out same time the rest of you do, they don't tell that any of that stuff me, be great if they did but sadly not, but then again I'd probably blab.

Would be great if you could find out if they are replacing Miller like for like ,or are we going cheep option

I'll ask but I won't get an answer, but if you don't ask.....

Just want a yes or no no names of anything , if there is no answer think we can take it as a no

Only if he has a rugby playing twin.

Can’t give you an answer but that doesn’t mean there isn’t one. There is no need to panic there are plenty of options available. Lot of OOC players this season.

It is possible I've missed other news that puts the comments in context, but what did you mean about the North Stand looking potentially ugly to some? What is the revision to the upgrade that makes you say that?

Cheers

His sister is a pretty good player tbf....

Ok. Incredible meeting with so much discussed.

I will attempt in the next week or so to tell you what was said. I will need to run it past JM before I do so. This is because I need to be sure that I’m not letting out sensitive info as much of what was discussed is still ongoing.

Things I can tell you are.

I walked on the pitch and it’s incredibly flat. What it isn’t is noticeably higher, maybe 6 inches at most.

The pitch offers 30 - 40 hours a week usage which I think is a heck of a lot. We will save a young players wage not having to rent training facilities.


All being well the steal work will go up in October.

The North stand can be extended at a later date, however that will only be if there is a demand for extra capacity. As explained to me it will look better than you might think, a lot better.

I believe JM will put out a release at some point to explain. However this will be when he gets the chance as they are incredibly busy.

There is loads more to report but bear with me please.

As for as on field, I honestly got nothing but then I didn’t really ask.

Whose saying it? If you go on the planning portal the revision was made in August. Reduces capacity but not sure how it’s uglier.

It was this bit. I may have been reading it out of context.

Sorry I meant in an engineering respect. What it will look like will depend on how they finish it off.