Right up until the Catalans match I was pleasantly surprised with what I was seeing on the pitch, since then it’s been very hit and miss, culminating with two victories against one poor and one awful side and yesterday’s 25 minute comeback papering over the cracks of woeful attacking decisions and soft line defence in the opening 55 minutes.

I still have major doubts about Agar and his sometime bizarre squad selections, but whenever I hear him being interviewed he speaks a hell of a lot of sense. Right at the start of his tenure I was sceptical but took the stance lets see what happens, just as earlier on in the season the run of defeats when IMO the team was playing well didn’t sway me to call for Agar’s head, this this recent purple patch will not lead me into believing he is the one to take the club forward.

Totally agree with you on these points (although the part in bold I feel doesn't really matter as it's a different kind of fitness to play rugby than it is to row a rower... I doubt Sir Steve could manage 80 minutes on the rugby field!).

It's something Hull were doing pretty well at the start of the season. We did it well against Warrington. I had fans around me shouting abuse at our tactics saying that we're not making any yards, etc. When I pointed out to them that we were trying to tire the forwards and you'll see the benefits later in the game, they didn't really agree with me until we took a bit of a lead. Of course, we fell at the last hurdle again as usual!


Again, agree. Jamie Ellis has been shocking in the tackling department for us. His running game isn't great. The main thing he offers us is his kicking game, and yesterday that wasn't evident at all.
Seymour can put in some good tackles in a game, but put a step on him and he's invisible.


The thing that gets me is, even when we've been on a high this season and when people have been saying we're in good form, these issues have been happening. Not to the extent of yesterday, however. I think the magnitude of yesterday may have been down to confidence, but the issue before it is a little deeper rooted IMO.


Not as much as me!

Indeed. We don't condone ours, and it wasn't very good to see a poster on here condone yours. Two wrongs don't make a right.


I wouldn't have gone with Agar myself personally, but now that you have he deserves to be given a chance. He's not exactly had a great deal to work with at first (as most new coaches find), and he's not doing too bad to start with. But I don't think he'll be the person to take you past a mid table side in all honesty.


Agar is a very good talker. He can give some good answers in hindsight, but at his time at Hull he couldn't find the answers for the team on the pitch. There are many flaws in his game plans (selections and rotations being one of them!).

I think he can take you to mid table, possibly the play offs, in his time with you. But you won't be anywhere near challenging under him IMO.

If it happened, it's out of order. But may need a bit more of a conclusive report than "a friend told me" as that's how Chinese whispers start!

On another point, one thing that I thought about when reflecting on the match was how ‘John Kear’ like Trinity tactics turned out to be, dogged determination, one man rugby with quick scoots from dummy half. Maybe I’m on my own, but I know it came up a few times on here that a ‘John Kear’ side would’ve won a number of the closer games Trinity lost and I think yesterday was as close you could’ve got to a comparison of the two coaching styles of Agar (more expansive but ultimately lateral) and Kear (very direct).

If you don't get what I'm on about you are being a bit dim.

The point I'm making is very simple. When you are the winning fans you think it's just a bit of teasing and gloating - no harm done - Hull fans are especially adept at this. When you are on the losing side it's not funny at all and you call it drunken abuse - yet another Hull speciality. I have experienced so much abuse at the hands of Hull fans I can barely feel an ounce of pity for you - I certainly remained amazed you had the audacity to bring it up on our forum all things considered.

I'm not defending the Trinity fans I to have noticed a distinct drop in standards this season at BV, however you are in no position to moan - this is how it is at RL these days and your fans have done more than any others to create it. You do actually notice what goes on EVERY game in your own chav corner at the KC.

You my friend have that peculiar double standard so prevalent in society these days. I suggest you leave it now and retreat with your reputation in tact, just.

I know what you mean. However that is hugely negative even for me. In fairness all teams have a moment where they turn a corner and finally start playing how they train to. The last 25 mins was top RL IMHO so maybe this is it. It may as you say be papering over the cracks, only time will tell. That said 3 on the bop at least deserves that we give them some credit and a second chance - surely?

Certainly, and what many were criticising the team for earlier on in the season was a lack of mental toughness, and the last three games has certainly shown they have got some of that so the players and coach deserve credit for that. However, I still can’t shake off the indecision and a real lack of options shown by the players in the first half when camped on the Hull FC try line. Either way judging at the end of the season or possibly next will give a better indication rather than a three of four game period in the season.

I suppose their are levels - we have probably moved up to competent - maybe what you are wanting is a level or two up from that. Yes we should have done better and we were not decisive on some occasion but we still managed 32 points so we must be getting it right more often.

Yes the team selections are a bit odd at times but they do seem to be working. For me Southern came on and was worth every minute - he may be light but he close them down and hit them hard - I certainly don't think PJ or James would have done any better.

Yes I thought Southern, particularly in the second half, ran the ball in very hard and looking back could be cited as the catalyst to get the ball rolling which lead the 22 unanswered points. Make no mistake I was very impressed with the grit shown in the 25 minutes.

Have you ever thought that some teams have a solid goal line defensive structure and it was this that contributed to our lack of points. And the result of a lot of defence is a side who tire later in the game, some things take time in a game, in this case worth waiting for.

Getting up quickly or trying to get up quickly helped. It got Hull on the back foot and us on a roll. Southern is a prime example it doesn't try to bother making more yards once he's tackled he hits the deck and tries to get to his feet as quickly as possible 2 or 3 of those in a set and you can catch opposition out or even get a penalty out of it especially if ref is keen.

Correct, Bibey used to get a lot of stick for that but his PTB was very quick and he got us moving even if he didn't look spectacular - ditto. This thrashing about in the tackle is OK if it gets you an offload or extra yards but if it doesn't it just allow the opposition to get back in their defensive line. Korki was a prime example of this for me, a lot of effort with little result far to often.

Wow, so all Hull fans are the same, and we are a part of this stereotype of yours that sees us all being abusive when we win and can't take banter when we lose? And because of this, it is OK for any Hull fan to be given any abuse from others because the other Hull fans did it?

Wow. What a disgusting attitude you appear to have.


Yes you bloody are! You've basically said of an incident (that you clearly weren't at) that it was just a bit of teasing and gloating, and that it's OK because Hull fans give more. You have totally defended them!


Believe it or not, I am not the leader and sole representative of Hull fans. I cannot be held accountable for what they do, and neither can the other decent Hull fans who have to tolerate these idiots. I am in as good a position as you to moan about the idiots that are supporting both our clubs and any other club.


Why do I have a double standard? Again, are you putting me into this stereotype of Hull fans you have, and therefore that makes me some kind of lout so I can't complain about others?
Again... wow! You might as well stick about, because your reputation can't get any worse after this drivel of a post of yours.

Don't get sucked in by the vastman he's a pro at getting under the skin.

I bet your one of those on the VT that bore people into submission Wellsy?

He certainly is.

I dare you to ask him about the momentum rule.

Don't get me started on that

I'm just hoping to educate him on the fact that not all Hull fans are the same, and in fact the vast majority aren't anything like what he's saying.

He'd probably fit in well under his stereotype as a Hull fan ironically!

I was just a bit appalled at his attempt to defend any spectator misbehaviour by your club because it was against Hull. It's good to see that the normal decent fans don't condone either.

TBF i think you were probably arguing the same point but from opposite ends.

Yep it's official. you're thick. Please re-read my posts. At no point do I say you are all the same. Nor do defend the Trinity fans in question, I made that very clear, just what part don't you get. The fact that I find your indignation laughable when it's so absent when Hull fans behave this way almost every game, you being a decent fan and all.

There was poor behaviour on both sides including an assault by Hull fans outside the ground, due no doubt to drunken goading - something you know nothing about I'm sure.

You are as I say typical of the myopic one eyed fans who inhabit the VT.

Correct, but his defensive nature and inability to read a post properly means he will never spot that.

That's why I pointed it out.

Come on Vasty. You are doing all the things that you are accusing him of. Let it go.

I thought the Hull fans near me were fine. Apart from the game against Leeds at Huddersfield when they knocked the posts down I've always found the Hull fans to be fine.
They always bring numbers and support their team with their colours too and they love their rugby.
Generally I find their language slightly more course than mine but I can handle that.
They do need to control that small minority that stand right next to the away end at KC but we have those types too as we've found recently.

The friend is someone i have known for over 20 years who was in the a&e department when the fans in wakey shirts came in with facial injuries not sure when/ where the injuries took place but seeing the arguments at the ground 2+2 = 4