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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"Only a matter of time before the team gelled.
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Sorry...great win, great comeback, great spirit, dead chuffed....but this performance over 80 mins was not a gelled team. I await being shot down in flames for negativity but we shouldn't get carried away with things. Some brilliance, some sheer unadulterated drivel. Exciting, commited, spirited yes, gelled...nope
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| Quote ="charlie63wildcat"Sorry...great win, great comeback, great spirit, dead chuffed....but this performance over 80 mins was not a gelled team. I await being shot down in flames for negativity but we shouldn't get carried away with things. Some brilliance, some sheer unadulterated drivel. Exciting, commited, spirited yes, gelled...nope'"
For christ sakes man can't we just enjoy the win, you've done the same the last couple of weeks, we all know it wasn't perfect, ftr I was taking the a bit, hence the emoticon.
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| Quote ="asmadasa"a026.gif Sore loser. Your season is imploding despite all the money you spend on players/coaches.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"For christ sakes man can't we just enjoy the win, you've done the same the last couple of weeks, we all know it wasn't perfect, ftr I was taking the mickey a bit, hence the emoticon.'"
Yeahhhh..ok. point taken. Don't want perfect though. We all care a lot. Makes u tear you hair out sometimes, then you get that last 25
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| Quote ="charlie"GENTLE OUT'"
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| Quote ="charlie63wildcat"Sorry...great win, great comeback, great spirit, dead chuffed....but this performance over 80 mins was not a gelled team. I await being shot down in flames for negativity but we shouldn't get carried away with things. Some brilliance, some sheer unadulterated drivel. Exciting, commited, spirited yes, gelled...nope'"
Yeah you are being a bit negative over a few threads at the moment fella, yes it wasn't a perfect performance, but when all the smoke is cleared we have come back from 20 points down (how many teams do that over the course of a season?)
First half, Cockayne and Mathers in particular were stinking the joint out, but it's the old adage, it's not about how you fall, its about how you get up, and we have totally bossed FC today. Yes the skill factor wasn't there for long periods of the match, but if you have team spirit and a few individuals capable of magic (Ali, Smith etc) then your'e always in with a shout.
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| Quote ="charlie63wildcat"Yeahhhh..ok. point taken. Don't want perfect though. We all care a lot. Makes u tear you hair out sometimes, then you get that last 25'"
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| I couldn't make the game today because of another commitment, but I was able to catch it on Yorkshire Radio. I do feel that despite my early misgivings about Agar he is perhaps getting a lot of things right. I listened to Danny Kirmond's interview before the game, and he made a very good point about the team never feeling like they had given up in any game, never stopped trying, and there was some evidence of that today maybe.
From watching the tries, some of the Hull ones were embarrassingly easy and so perhaps we have some weaknesses in reading attacks, but our own attack never gave up, and I feel more optimistic than I did a few weeks ago.
A win against Leeds would be fantastic, not only for our own top eight chances but also to harm the Rhino's season. I would be happy with 10th, given that there is a gap opening up between us and the bottom, and with our coach in charge of purchasing, and with the momentum and attraction of a new ground for players, we might have a really good off-season.
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| I think that Danny Washbrook will have had a good days work today. A lot of his work seems to go unnoticed but he always seems to be well positioned in both attack & defence, he took his try well.
Also I might be in a minority here but I don`t think many superleague players would have scored the last 2 tries that big Ali as scored in the past week, from todays try he looked to be about 2 or 3 metres out when he lunged for the line today.
Big raps for the whole squad & coach for there belief to win today.
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Yeah you are being a bit negative over a few threads at the moment fella, yes it wasn't a perfect performance, but when all the smoke is cleared we have come back from 20 points down (how many teams do that over the course of a season?)
First half, Cockayne and Mathers in particular were stinking the joint out, but it's the old adage, it's not about how you fall, its about how you get up, and we have totally bossed FC today. Yes the skill factor wasn't there for long periods of the match, but if you have team spirit and a few individuals capable of magic (Ali, Smith etc) then your'e always in with a shout.'"
You can only play what's in front of you at the end of the day, and for the last 30 minutes of the game you dominated a completely shattered and lacklustre Hull side. There's a real issue at our club with finishing the game. I'm not sure if it's fatigue, anxiety or complacency, but you had something that we didn't and that's what won you the game so fair play.
In patches Hull looked very good. But only in small patches.
Congrats and all the best for the rest of the season. Great atmosphere today and some good banter with your fans. Only a small group of idiots outside goading the Hull fans, but you get them at all clubs.
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| I've been watching us nearly 30 years and I can never ever recalling us turning a 20 point deficit over, how did it happen? I don't really care, quality stuff! Happy for Agar...happy days
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| Quote ="deeHell"I've been watching us nearly 30 years and I can never ever recalling us turning a 20 point deficit over, how did it happen? I don't really care, quality stuff! Happy for Agar...happy days
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I'm guessing you weren't paying much attention on Good Friday in 2011 then.
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| Quote ="Towns88"I'm guessing you weren't paying much attention on Good Friday in 2011 then.'"
I remember that game very well.
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| Quote ="Towns88"I'm guessing you weren't paying much attention on Good Friday in 2011 then.'"
I remember it but I didn't go, shame on me
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"You can only play what's in front of you at the end of the day, and for the last 30 minutes of the game you dominated a completely shattered and lacklustre Hull side. There's a real issue at our club with finishing the game. I'm not sure if it's fatigue, anxiety or complacency, but you had something that we didn't and that's what won you the game so fair play.
In patches Hull looked very good. But only in small patches.
Congrats and all the best for the rest of the season. Great atmosphere today and some good banter with your fans. Only a small group of idiots outside goading the Hull fans, but you get them at all clubs.'"
Wellsy IMHO Hull didnt look like an 80 minute side you reminded me of us a few weeks ago a 60 minute team, it maybe conditioning because the amount you spend on players compared to the likes of us you should in reality be wiping the floor with us. As we approach the full cap over the coming seasons I can see us being a real force with a couple of years of club 1873 underpinning the club with youth, a new stadium to attract quality players (fingers crossed) that said its very rare we dont give you a good game but in reality you should have shut us down.
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| Nothing to do with fitness.
It's always said but in reality you might get one player or two under done but not a whole team.
Wakefield worked them hard and it tolled in the end.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Nothing to do with fitness.
It's always said but in reality you might get one player or two under done but not a whole team.
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Wakefield worked them hard and it tolled in the end.'"
Thats how I have it..
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"Wellsy IMHO Hull didnt look like an 80 minute side you reminded me of us a few weeks ago a 60 minute team, it maybe conditioning because the amount you spend on players compared to the likes of us you should in reality be wiping the floor with us. As we approach the full cap over the coming seasons I can see us being a real force with a couple of years of club 1873 underpinning the club with youth, a new stadium to attract quality players (fingers crossed) that said its very rare we dont give you a good game but in reality you should have shut us down.'"
I agree, there's something good going on down at Wakefield, and although expectations may not be high just now (rebuilding), with the stadium move you could begin to be a real threat. Bigger crowds, better facilities, a chairman with some money, youth production line. I hope it all comes off because quite frankly the Wakefield of old were not exactly an advert for SL.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Nothing to do with fitness.
It's always said but in reality you might get one player or two under done but not a whole team.
Wakefield worked them hard and it tolled in the end.'"
Respectfully disagree.
We had the majority of possession up to that point of the game. How come we faded and you didn't? We worked you hard up to that point as well.
When a team fails to score last in a game 14 games out 17, as well as fail to prevent the other team scoring point in the back end of the game 14 games out of 17, with 5 of those instances seeing the result change from a win into either a draw (twice) or a loss (three times), I think it says more about us.
If Hull could hold on in those last ten minutes, we'd be joint top of the league. As it stands, we've thrown away 8 SL points.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"You can only play what's in front of you at the end of the day, and for the last 30 minutes of the game you dominated a completely shattered and lacklustre Hull side. There's a real issue at our club with finishing the game. I'm not sure if it's fatigue, anxiety or complacency, but you had something that we didn't and that's what won you the game so fair play.
In patches Hull looked very good. But only in small patches.
Congrats and all the best for the rest of the season. Great atmosphere today and some good banter with your fans. Only a small group of idiots outside goading the Hull fans, but you get them at all clubs.'"
Well it would be us, never the Hull fans at fault is it. Funny how it's goading when you're receiving it and banter when you're giving it - think on.
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| Quote ="vastman"icon_lol.gif Well it would be us, neveron the Hull fans at fault is it. Funny how it's goading when you're receiving it and banter when you're giving it - think on.'"
There were quite a few hull idiots there yesterday the 5 who started on 2 fans were particually discusting. They have no place in rugby league. i didnt see if they were arrested but i have heard that there were some wakey fans taken to hospital as a result of incidents outside the ground and on doncaster road. This came from a friend who was at a&e last night and saw them coming in
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Respectfully disagree.
We had the majority of possession up to that point of the game. How come we faded and you didn't? We worked you hard up to that point as well.
When a team fails to score last in a game 14 games out 17, as well as fail to prevent the other team scoring point in the back end of the game 14 games out of 17, with 5 of those instances seeing the result change from a win into either a draw (twice) or a loss (three times), I think it says more about us.
If Hull could hold on in those last ten minutes, we'd be joint top of the league. As it stands, we've thrown away 8 SL points.'"
I have to say, although I haven’t changed my mind about fitness levels in general, those stats are hard to argue with so I concede on this particular game.
My point is though that in fitness terms, technique and style of one team can make the other look unfit.
I doubt that if we got all the players from both sides on a rowing machine in a distance race that the Hull team would be all at the bottom and Wakefield be all at the top in fitness list.
However, we’ve come on the wrong end of it a number of times. Huddersfield are excellent at it when they play us. They just keep running the forwards down the same channel over and over and it looks like you are stopping them at first but after a while the players in the middle are doing all the tackling and they let someone slip through. Then at the end of the game there is a big hole in the defensive plan and it all falls apart out wide.
Smith gets a lot of criticism for just turning the ball back inside at Wakefield but that is what he is trying to do for us. I thought it worked against you guys to a certain extent. Added to that I didn’t think the Hull half backs tackled well which then meant the next guy was working harder.
Of course mental toughness comes into it too. When you guys are on a low, once the other team get a roll on, even if you are miles ahead, everyone starts panicking. Your team is obviously low on confidence even though you clearly have a top 4/6 side. Hard to change that. We know that story well at Belle Vue.
Hope your guys sort it out soon.
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| A lot of the first half score against us came from our own errors and Hull didnt look any better than us.The message was got out that the Hull half backs were not doing a job in the tackle department and were targeted.I said to the mates early doors of the second half they were starting to tire and we had a chance.The Hull pack ran out of steam around the 30 mins mark and the rest as they say is history.Noticed through out the game the number of times the clock was stopped and it was as though the Hull players needed a rest.One of the mates did say near the end of the second half it appeared to be a long second half in terms of mins played but as I said look how long the clock has been stopped over that time.
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| Quote ="vastman"icon_lol.gif Well it would be us, never the Hull fans at fault is it. Funny how it's goading when you're receiving it and banter when you're giving it - think on.'"
What on Earth are you on about now? Where have I said anything about Hull fans in that quote?
The situation I'm talking about were the group of drunken Wakefield fans outside shouting and swearing and trying to get a rise out of Hull fans on the way back to their cars, and then when that wasn't enough going up to individual Hull fans and disrespecting them, shouting at them and swearing at them. That's not banter, that's provocation and I wouldn't condone it if (and unfortunately most likely "when"icon_wink.gif Hull fans do it. By the sounds of it, you do. Perhaps you were one of them?
A small group of idiots that tried to ruin it for the rest. The Wakefield fans I were talking to on the way out were appalled and apologising to us for the record, so thankfully there are others that don't condone it either.
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| Same issue on both sides with a [uvery[/u small minority who can't take their beer.
On the subject of the "Agar Out" title....
Have any of the people posting earlier in the season or even those chanting at the game changed their mind now we have hit a run of wins?
Do they accept Agar yet?
I have always said we needed time and dry weather for this team and although there is a lot of work still to do it is showing good signs. He wasn't my immediate choice but the best of the bunch on offer. I was happy to back him and still am. How alone am I on that?
Just wondered what people think now?
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