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| Quote ="TheRealist"Lets all be realistic, this is never going to happen. Lets all stop pipe dreaming and move on. We need a solution and NM certainly isn't it. I don't think BV is long term either, I don't personally know the answer, all I know is that NM will not happen, how long has this dragged on now, wake up and smell the coffee'"
That didn't take long, yet another reincarnation of you know who - you're getting very boring now.
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| Had a positive meeting today. Nothing firm agreed, but I am re-assured that we may not be alone in wanting this issue resolved.
As I posted on Twitter - hope springs eternal!
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| I've asked my MP, who by happy coincidence is now Shadow Communities Secretary, to investigate the apparent negligence surrounding the s106 agreement.
He has responded by writing to the Chief Exec of WMDC asking for an investigation.
Not holding my breath, but any pressure on Box can only help.
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| Quote ="wakeyrule"I've asked my MP, who by happy coincidence is now Shadow Communities Secretary, to investigate the apparent negligence surrounding the s106 agreement.
He has responded by writing to the Chief Exec of WMDC asking for an investigation.
Not holding my breath, but any pressure on Box can only help.'"
Should be interesting, but I suspect you will see the same BS most people get publicly.
Thanks anyway - and keep us posted!
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| Is there any way i can remove this endless and pointless thread from my computer.? Everytime it reappears at the top of the forum i am tricked in to believing that the diggers have started excavating the foundations at Newmarket only to read for the 500th time that " there has been a positive meeting but we cannot say too much at this stage but there will hopefully be some positive news soon" Now if some posters on here want to believe in father christmas they are entitled to do that but the reality is you need a lot of pennies to build a stadium and no one has any apart from city bankers who are not the most generous bunch.so if i could please have some sort of button that filters out fantasy posts like this one and leaves me to concentrate on reading and participating in discussions on rugby league matters i would be very grateful.
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| If you don't like this thread why don't you just stop reading it? Maybe it is fantasy land about the stadium but a lot of people are outraged at WMDC's conduct during this process and are hoping for comeuppance for some of those involved even if we don't get what we were promised! I for one await the call to arms!
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| Quote ="ball-in-hand"Is there any way i can remove this endless and pointless thread from my computer.? Everytime it reappears at the top of the forum i am tricked in to believing that the diggers have started excavating the foundations at Newmarket only to read for the 500th time that " there has been a positive meeting but we cannot say too much at this stage but there will hopefully be some positive news soon" Now if some posters on here want to believe in father christmas they are entitled to do that but the reality is you need a lot of pennies to build a stadium and no one has any apart from city bankers who are not the most generous bunch.so if i could please have some sort of button that filters out fantasy posts like this one and leaves me to concentrate on reading and participating in discussions on rugby league matters i would be very grateful.'"
NO! you are in the minority - lots of people have put countless hours into the stadium project and to ignore it would be a complete injustice and lack of appreciation to them.
We knew it would be a long fight so we should keep grinding away - not go away!
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| Some people come on here just to massage their egos
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| And some people come on here being y because they daren't at home.
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| Quote ="ball-in-hand"Some people come on here just to massage their egos'"
Quite.
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| Obviously I cannot prove it but I genuinely believe I am in the majority in simply wanting to turn up once a fortnight at Belle Vue and be entertained by a Wakefield Trinity Rlfc team. I don't want to have to catch two buses to sit in an over priced seat in a soulless stadium next to a motorway. I am not interested in all the politics and the endless secret meetings . I firmly believe 80 percent of seaon ticket holders agree with me but a vocal few on here will try to say otherrwise.
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| The problem Ball in Hand is how the hell to you grow the club while ever it is at BV in its present state. We may have 1000 season ticket holders and maybe 2,500 fans. You may attract another 500 if we won a few games and you may get another 500 in if we could afford to spend thousands on community programmes, dance classes, school liaison schemes etc. You are simply not going to get new people attending games at BV. Add to that away fans will choose which games to attend, on a budget BV will be at the bottom of the list. So how you expect the club to survive with a few of you turning up once a fortnight I simply cannot work out. Add to that there is zero interest in the club from local residents in BV area. A move to NM would base the club within a local population who are interested in the game, plus away fans could enjoy modern facilities in comfort and safety. All this means added income, growth and better players.
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| All I can say Belly is where is your evidence that the club will grow at NM ? My evidence is simple . Look at what has happened to Salford since the move to the AJ Bell. It's not working even with a money bags chairman ' We should look to gradually improve BV over ten year period starting with the Western Terrace if and when funds become available .
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| Great call to renovate Belle Vue. Just one thing though, we don't own it!
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| Quote ="ball-in-hand"All I can say Belly is where is your evidence that the club will grow at NM ? My evidence is simple . Look at what has happened to Salford since the move to the AJ Bell. It's not working even with a money bags chairman ' We should look to gradually improve BV over ten year period starting with the Western Terrace if and when funds become available .'"
That's a bit rich, where is your evidence that 80% of the season ticket holders agree with you?
What about the upturn in fortunes experienced by Warrington, Hull FC and even Wigan after they moved to new stadiums, Salford is actually the anomaly not the rule.
We need to move, I don't think Newmarket is the right place either but we cannot stay at Belle Vue, it's killing us!
If I had the choice I'd move us to Denby Dale Rd near the new service station.
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| You have a chance of growing the club at NW, you have the 100% certainty that the club will fold if it has to stay at BV. The Salford move has been poorly managed, am I correct in thinking that when Sale play there it is sold out ? Good management is all thats required to grow the club at NM. Alan Sugar couldn`t get growth out of BV and the surrounding hole that is Agbrigg.
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| We need nm big time ,if trinity want to challenge for trophy's etc the move would attacked better players,coaches,new start at Newmarket
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| In a perfect world, I'd love to be watching Wakey at a redeveloped BV...in reality I look forward to watching Wakey in a new stadium at NM.
Citing Salford as an example of how "moving out of town" can cripple attendances...they are an absolute basket case...self-obsessed owner, money bags superstar team, self-publicist coaches...still can't be successful over a season...
Nothing to do with the stadium...no one cares for RL in Salford-cum-Manchester.
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| Quote ="ball-in-hand"Is there any way i can remove this endless and pointless thread from my computer.? Everytime it reappears at the top of the forum i am tricked in to believing that the diggers have started excavating the foundations at Newmarket only to read for the 500th time that " there has been a positive meeting but we cannot say too much at this stage but there will hopefully be some positive news soon" Now if some posters on here want to believe in father christmas they are entitled to do that but the reality is you need a lot of pennies to build a stadium and no one has any apart from city bankers who are not the most generous bunch.so if i could please have some sort of button that filters out fantasy posts like this one and leaves me to concentrate on reading and participating in discussions on rugby league matters i would be very grateful.'"
Your view is understandable, if disappointing. It won't stop me trying and it won't stop me posting what I can, when I can. Sorry if that upsets you, but you can choose to ignore it if you feel that way.
A public update will be issued very shortly.
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| It's about the location for me. Yes the club need to move forward and generate new interest. I'm not a believer that that will be the answer to all our prayers. It will be the start of a massive amount of work required to generate interest , more investment and build relationships with the people of wake and business. It's not and never will be a matter of build it and they will come. I understand the urgency and attraction of a new stadium but I don't see the location a bonus. I also don't expect the surrounding s play any part in attracting a better class of player or coach .
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| Any new stadium is a large facility which requires a high level of funding going forward. 13 or so home matches just will not generate sufficient cash to operate it long term, so one of the main considerations is how to maximise income to sustain it, and hopefully support the business within it, in our case the club.
With due respect to the people of Agbrigg and Belle Vue, they are not the best places to either live, or get to.
We ended up with Newmarket as this was the only place offering us the deal to build a stadium - it remains so. However, bearing in mind my earlier post, it does also offer a tremendous location to attract businesses from across the region and beyond as an excellent location for corporate days and events. This would help tremendously for the overall scheme. It's not the only consideration, but do not dismiss this issue when considering locations.
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| Quote ="ball-in-hand"All I can say Belly is where is your evidence that the club will grow at NM ? My evidence is simple . Look at what has happened to Salford since the move to the AJ Bell. It's not working even with a money bags chairman ' We should look to gradually improve BV over ten year period starting with the Western Terrace if and when funds become available .'"
A major difference here though is that a huge percentage of Salford's home support lived in close proximity (walking distance) to the Willows so a move for them has put the ground much further away and the transport for getting in and out has been an issue for them as well as their lunatic owner.
A huge percentage of our home support do not live within walking distance of BelleVue and already drive/use public transport to games anyway. So a new stadium elsewhere for us does not have the same impact (providing the public transport and parking are suitable)
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| As the saying goes - Beggars can't be choosers. If you have little or no other options NM is the best and, like TRB says, the only available option. My only other concern would be moving in the direction of your local rivals (Fev and Cas) instead of moving away from them where there would be more scope for a newer audience and a bigger catchment area. The Pugney's site would have been the best IMO (along with Thornes Park). South of the city, nearer to Horbury and easier for the fans from Ossett to get to and geographically moving towards the un-tapped Barnsley area.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"As the saying goes - Beggars can't be choosers. If you have little or no other options NM is the best and, like TRB says, the only available option. My only other concern would be moving in the direction of your local rivals (Fev and Cas) instead of moving away from them where there would be more scope for a newer audience and a bigger catchment area. The Pugney's site would have been the best IMO (along with Thornes Park). South of the city, nearer to Horbury and easier for the fans from Ossett to get to and geographically moving towards the un-tapped Barnsley area.'"
NM is further away from Fev than BV,unless someones moved Fev
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| Quote ="Tigerade"As the saying goes - Beggars can't be choosers. If you have little or no other options NM is the best and, like TRB says, the only available option. My only other concern would be moving in the direction of your local rivals (Fev and Cas) instead of moving away from them where there would be more scope for a newer audience and a bigger catchment area. The Pugney's site would have been the best IMO (along with Thornes Park). South of the city, nearer to Horbury and easier for the fans from Ossett to get to and geographically moving towards the un-tapped Barnsley area.'"
Far and away the best option was the one near J39 but unfortunately our council didn't want anything to do with that once YCCC had declined the offer of what would have been a superb development. So that ship sailed a long time ago I'm afraid. Thornes Park was never a viable proposition in my opinion.
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