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| Although things like dressing room heating and coaches, etc, seem like small things, but it must have seemed at times like they were playing for a club a couple of divisions below. If you are going to treat players like part-time park players, they will think like them, and for what financial saving?
I'm not into mollycoddling players, but we've all been in jobs probably where things happen that affect morale, and all been in jobs where you've had fun and felt highly-regarded. One produces good results, the other doesn't. The heating of a dressing room shouldn't come under the expense category of "heating" but "morale", and that can win or lose a game.
Yes, balance the books, but think of the real cost of things, not just the number in a column.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Well Chiss - they are big golf buddies so I suppose it could be right. You'll probably end up with Ryan Boyle.'"
It would seem my sarcastic attempt at humour went straight over your head
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| Quote ="chissitt"icon_biggrin.gifOH: It would seem my sarcastic attempt at humour went straight over your head
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Although things like dressing room heating and coaches, etc, seem like small things, but it must have seemed at times like they were playing for a club a couple of divisions below. If you are going to treat players like part-time park players, they will think like them, and for what financial saving?
I'm not into mollycoddling players, but we've all been in jobs probably where things happen that affect morale, and all been in jobs where you've had fun and felt highly-regarded. One produces good results, the other doesn't. The heating of a dressing room shouldn't come under the expense category of "heating" but "morale", and that can win or lose a game.
Yes, balance the books, but think of the real cost of things, not just the number in a column.'"
They get paid Super League wages so if something as trivial as the temperature of the changing rooms makes them play like players from Championship 1 maybe they should hand their salaries back as well!
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| I was all for the appointment of Brian Smith. I didn't expect miracles just keeping us in superleagued last season and an improvement in the defence this season. . Walking away after 5 games is mildly disappointing . Refusing to give proper reasons to the supporters for leaving is equally disappointing . Posting a cryptic message on Facebook saying supporters should ask better questions is rather silly and the action of someone who has liitle feeling for the club but is also actively trying to cause a slight stir. I am no supporter of MC. I think he treats's the supporters with a lack of consideration at times but I don't think he is to blame for Smith leaving. If BS knows different now he is back in Oz he should tell us what he meant that Facebook message.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Although things like dressing room heating and coaches, etc, seem like small things, but it must have seemed at times like they were playing for a club a couple of divisions below. If you are going to treat players like part-time park players, they will think like them, and for what financial saving?
I'm not into mollycoddling players, but we've all been in jobs probably where things happen that affect morale, and all been in jobs where you've had fun and felt highly-regarded. One produces good results, the other doesn't. The heating of a dressing room shouldn't come under the expense category of "heating" but "morale", and that can win or lose a game.
Yes, balance the books, but think of the real cost of things, not just the number in a column.'"
Totally agree slugger, the players are the clubs biggest (only?) assets surely you need to look after them like they are royalty as much as you can? Pizza anyone?...
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Although things like dressing room heating and coaches, etc, seem like small things, but it must have seemed at times like they were playing for a club a couple of divisions below. If you are going to treat players like part-time park players, they will think like them, and for what financial saving?
I'm not into mollycoddling players, but we've all been in jobs probably where things happen that affect morale, and all been in jobs where you've had fun and felt highly-regarded. One produces good results, the other doesn't. The heating of a dressing room shouldn't come under the expense category of "heating" but "morale", and that can win or lose a game.
Yes, balance the books, but think of the real cost of things, not just the number in a column.'"
You really are in a pickle if theres any truth in this.
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| I have a question for those who question the moral fibre of Smith. In the entire SL how many coaches have resigned their position part way through a season in the last three years. I can say we have three in the last two full seasons. We either just employ unsuitable coaches or we have a problem elsewhere.
I wait the numbers with interest to see how we compare.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"They get paid Super League wages so if something as trivial as the temperature of the changing rooms makes them play like players from Championship 1 maybe they should hand their salaries back as well!'"
That's like saying if my employer didn't give me a good enough laptop to do my job I should buy it myself as they give me a decent wage.
They are not playing for fun. They are professional players and should be treated that way..
I wonder if there was any heating in the offices
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| My God pop tart do you actually work with a laptop,didn't know what one was till 12 months ago what an advantage some of you've got, it's a good job I know what I'm talking about in it
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| Quote ="PopTart"That's like saying if my employer didn't give me a good enough laptop to do my job I should buy it myself as they give me a decent wage.
They are not playing for fun. They are professional players and should be treated that way..
I wonder if there was any heating in the offices'"
Are we sure that the 'gripe' re heating and a 'bus to Fev was from the players or just the coach himself. I can't imagine players being bothered about driving to Featherstone (other than being worried about the wheels from their cars being nicked ) as they drive to BV or do they have a 'bus to pick them up from home? Heating in the dressing room? - they don't train at BV, so why is this a problem, they have only used them twice this season on matchdays and the players are in full kit etc when they go out for their warm up. Perhaps someone's cup of tea was cold.
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| If it is true that there was no heating on are we presuming it was turned off as a cost saving decision or could it hav been a fault waiting to be repaired. I can't for the life of me believe this would be intentional but if I'm wrong I find it incredible.
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| Quote ="Yosemite Sam"If it is true that there was no heating on are we presuming it was turned off as a cost saving decision or could it hav been a fault waiting to be repaired. I can't for the life of me believe this would be intentional but if I'm wrong I find it incredible.'"
If the dressing room is cold and you want the 'chill' taking off it, then all they had to do was go get an electric heater from the offices or even from B & Q (stick it on expenses), seems a bit petty to me, what do us mere mortals do?
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| Quote ="PopTart"That's like saying if my employer didn't give me a good enough laptop to do my job I should buy it myself as they give me a decent wage.
They are not playing for fun. They are professional players and should be treated that way..
I wonder if there was any heating in the offices'"
Really!
Some of the best teams in the history of the game have come from an adverse environment. If you've got character it forges you if you haven't got character it exposes you.
That said I think the no heating was more of an issue for 62 year old Brian Smith than it ever was for the players, it's a crock, a red herring and really ought to be laughed at! I can't believe some fans are giving it any credence whatsoever!
Your analogy isn't relevant either, if Carter had asked the players to play without boots on then you might have a point but the changing rooms are a bit chilly is is like an excuse from Harry Bassett!
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It was sooooooo predictable. Here’s what you thought and we wrote a massive six weeks ago:
[iThere’s a couple of reasons his odds are so short. First, his team is awful, even for this league. Second, unless the fact that he’s coaching a team sponsored by a fish and chip shop has mellowed him, he’s as abrasive as a sandpaper jockstrap. Its only a matter of time before he makes demands that can’t be met by a club where the ground is worth less than his contract. Then he’ll be returning home for “personal reasons”.[/i
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It was sooooooo predictable. Here’s what you thought and we wrote a massive six weeks ago:
[iThere’s a couple of reasons his odds are so short. First, his team is awful, even for this league. Second, unless the fact that he’s coaching a team sponsored by a fish and chip shop has mellowed him, he’s as abrasive as a sandpaper jockstrap. Its only a matter of time before he makes demands that can’t be met by a club where the ground is worth less than his contract. Then he’ll be returning home for “personal reasons”.[/i
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| I remember in one of his press conferences/interviews he was saying it was freezing. Not sure where it was conducted but it wasn't the dressing room.
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| Smith was always going to quit. It is proving impossible for anyone to work with Carter, he is destroying this club and all you do gooders who think that he has got 'the club stable' are living on a different planet. He is doing nothing but ripping the heart out of this great club. WE NEED HIM GONE NOW, at least Smith is a Rugby man with enough experience to know what is going on. We need someone in who will start a complete overhaul of the club, if that is from the championship so be it. If this doesn't happen we won't have a club to support....... And whoever takes over will have to pay MC all his money back because what he has invested in and bailed the club out with is loans from him that is still owed back to him according to THE CLUB BOOKS!!!!!!
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| Quote ="TheRealisticOne"Smith was always going to quit. It is proving impossible for anyone to work with Carter, he is destroying this club and all you do gooders who think that he has got 'the club stable' are living on a different planet. He is doing nothing but ripping the heart out of this great club. WE NEED HIM GONE NOW, at least Smith is a Rugby man with enough experience to know what is going on. We need someone in who will start a complete overhaul of the club, if that is from the championship so be it. If this doesn't happen we won't have a club to support....... And whoever takes over will have to pay MC all his money back because what he has invested in and bailed the club out with is loans from him that is still owed back to him according to THE CLUB BOOKS!!!!!!'"
Brilliant. You will be taking over the club then and pouring your £millions into it then. Well done the realistic one is WTW new Messiah.
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| Quote ="TheRealisticOne"Smith was always going to quit. It is proving impossible for anyone to work with Carter, he is destroying this club and all you do gooders who think that he has got 'the club stable' are living on a different planet. He is doing nothing but ripping the heart out of this great club. WE NEED HIM GONE NOW, at least Smith is a Rugby man with enough experience to know what is going on. We need someone in who will start a complete overhaul of the club, if that is from the championship so be it. If this doesn't happen we won't have a club to support....... And whoever takes over will have to pay MC all his money back because what he has invested in and bailed the club out with is loans from him that is still owed back to him according to THE CLUB BOOKS!!!!!!'"
Oh dear it looks like some people with an agenda against Mr Carter have now stooped to the depths of insinuating that there might be some irregular financial dealings happening at the club.
It's remarkable that a fan like yourself has suddenly found this forum and decided to open an account, or maybe you just don't have the dogs doodars to post under your usual user name, which makes your post and yourself all the more contemptuous.
This thread is getting more and more embarrassing by every post.
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| Quote ="TheRealisticOne"Smith was always going to quit. It is proving impossible for anyone to work with Carter, he is destroying this club and all you do gooders who think that he has got 'the club stable' are living on a different planet. He is doing nothing but ripping the heart out of this great club. WE NEED HIM GONE NOW, at least Smith is a Rugby man with enough experience to know what is going on. We need someone in who will start a complete overhaul of the club, if that is from the championship so be it. If this doesn't happen we won't have a club to support....... And whoever takes over will have to pay MC all his money back because what he has invested in and bailed the club out with is loans from him that is still owed back to him according to THE CLUB BOOKS!!!!!!'"
When you say "WE need him gone". Are you implying WE are Wakefield, or Hull KR?
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| Haha. Carter the saviour. More like carter the narcissist. If people (knowlegable people) within the club dont say yes mr carter, no mr carter and nod their head in approval then they are out. He is destroying this club and people need to realise it. The man is so full of bull he should have a slurry tank in the car park. Smith, Hudson Flatman to name but a few that couldn't work with him. He doesn't know what he is doing and the sonner he admits that the better. And for the record I have joined this forum to express an opinion, nothing else.
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| Quote ="TheRealisticOne"Haha. Carter the saviour. More like carter the narcissist. If people (knowlegable people) within the club dont say yes mr carter, no mr carter and nod their head in approval then they are out. He is destroying this club and people need to realise it. The man is so full of bull poop he should have a slurry tank in the car park. Smith, Hudson Flatman to name but a few that couldn't work with him. He doesn't know what he is doing and the sonner he admits that the better. And for the record I have joined this forum to express an opinion, nothing else.'"
Thank God for that-wouldn't want to read any more drivel
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| hahaha, sorry i dont agree with the running of the club, maybe I should just bow down to the MC regime and tell them what a great job they are doing.
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| Quote ="chissitt"icon_biggrin.gifOH: Oh dear it looks like some people with an agenda against Mr Carter have now stooped to the depths of insinuating that there might be some irregular financial dealings happening at the club.
It's remarkable that a fan like yourself has suddenly found this forum and decided to open an account, or maybe you just don't have the dogs doodars to post under your usual user name, which makes your post and yourself all the more contemptuous.
This thread is getting more and more embarrassing by every post.'"
Not seeing any accusations of irregularities there, just a lot of criticism and a pop about him wanting his money back. To be honest if i was MC i would flog everything and everyone i could, pay off as much of the loans as possible and bugger off into the sunset, save myself the hassle. Can't say i overly like the bloke but i wouldn't blame him if he did, he must think is it all worthwhile on a regular basis.
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| Quote ="TheRealisticOne" And whoever takes over will have to pay MC all his money back because what he has invested in and bailed the club out with is loans from him that is still owed back to him according to THE CLUB BOOKS!!!!!!'"
Quote ="TheRealisticOne"Haha. Carter the saviour. And for the record I have joined this forum to express an opinion, nothing else.'"
Nothing wrong with opinions, but yours above is not an opinion but an insinuation that maybe the chairman might be involved in some financial irregularities regarding monies owed to him by the club, as it's his club it's his business and your attempt to muddy the waters does nobody any favours except those that take delight in the clubs misfortunes.
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