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| Quote ="PopTart"Ok let me rephrase. We'll be bottom if we play Lawford and Jowitt at halfbacks for a length of time.
We need another half. If it's not Lino he needs to be replaced.'"
Jowitt is a class S/O, he’s played there over thirty times now and it was his junior position, I’ve no issues there at all.
Lawford however is a million miles away at present.
Lino isn’t going anywhere for the reasons I’ve already given. But for the sake of argument let’s say he is. Trueman, Russell and Jowitt you have three not two quality HBs, not bad. I also believe that Powell thinks Booth has the potential to be a no6 so at a push that’s four. However as I say it’s academic as I don’t see Lino leaving.
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| Powell actually believes Booth’s best position is in the centres. (his words).
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| Quote ="vastman"Jowitt is a class S/O, he’s played there over thirty times now and it was his junior position, I’ve no issues there at all.
Lawford however is a million miles away at present.
Lino isn’t going anywhere for the reasons I’ve already given. But for the sake of argument let’s say he is. Trueman, Russell and Jowitt you have three not two quality HBs, not bad. I also believe that Powell thinks Booth has the potential to be a no6 so at a push that’s four. However as I say it’s academic as I don’t see Lino leaving.'"
And you lose your best fullback and lead try assists.
No matter how you cut it you need someone else.
Of course Max can play 6. But if you play him at 6 you need an equally good 1.
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| Quote ="PopTart"And you lose your best fullback and lead try assists.
No matter how you cut it you need someone else.
Of course Max can play 6. But if you play him at 6 you need an equally good 1.'"
If only we had signed a quality fullback that's being playing very well in SL already...
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| Quote ="PopTart"And you lose your best fullback and lead try assists.
No matter how you cut it you need someone else.
Of course Max can play 6. But if you play him at 6 you need an equally good 1.'"
To be fair we would have Roarke (maybe), Booth or Walmsley as options.
I don’t believe Max would play halfbacks unless injury forced it to 2 of Russell, Truman or Lino.
I don’t think another half is needed with 5 who can play there. It’s more than enough for next season.
FWIW I think the halfbacks will be Truman and Russell next season with Lino having to wait his opportunity and Lawford work his way back to fitness and work on developing.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"If only we had signed a quality fullback that's being playing very well in SL already...'"
Well to be fair we haven’t yet, it’s only rumour and speculation.
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| Sorry to see Boothroyd going- I thought he had potential but I guess the last signing was the death knell for him!
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Well to be fair we haven’t yet, it’s only rumour and speculation.'"
We have, 100%, we just haven't announced it.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"We have, 100%, we just haven't announced it.'"
I don’t know anyone in the know so to me it’s not confirmed or even an option until it’s announced.
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| Max has looked class at half back in the championship , but a whole new world awaits him at super league level . leave him at his best position at fullback and let the half’s sort themselves out , surely between Lino , Russel and Trueman we can get a decent partnerships going in the off season . Why move a kid who covers the half’s but is a far better fullback, to move position when we have brought in players for that sole purpose . I doubt he would have had a sniff in the half’s if it wasn’t for the injuries to our current crew .
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| Quote ="asmadasa"Bit like Lino….'"
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Max has looked class at half back in the championship , but a whole new world awaits him at super league level . leave him at his best position at fullback and let the half’s sort themselves out , surely between Lino , Russel and Trueman we can get a decent partnerships going in the off season . Why move a kid who covers the half’s but is a far better fullback, to move position when we have brought in players for that sole purpose . I doubt he would have had a sniff in the half’s if it wasn’t for the injuries to our current crew .'"
I agree, I really like Max but I don’t see him as a solution should we have an issue in the halves next year, he’s done well there this year in a team that has basically had a totally dominant forward pack, he won’t get that luxury week in week out next year.
He does have a fantastic passing game, arguably the best in the club but with him pace and line defence has been an area where he’s had issues in the past.
He’s up there this year with Rodwell and Uele as our best on ground in 2024, however I think his focus in 2025 will be back on the fullback shirt as it seems he will have a bit of a fight on his hands to make that 1 shirt his own in SL if we are bringing in Rouke and to a lesser extent Russell as rumoured.
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| Not suggesting Jowitt plays half all the time, more pointing out that we have an option should injuries hit. Still it's a moot point now as it looks like Lino is staying.
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Rugby League Live revealed last month that Rourke was on his way to Wakefield next year, a deal that is thought to have been done some time ago. After breaking his leg and missing the start of the season, he returned in remarkable form, scoring eight tries in as many games. The fullback will compete for a spot in the team next to Max Jowitt.'"
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Rugby League Live revealed last month that Rourke was on his way to Wakefield next year, a deal that is thought to have been done some time ago. After breaking his leg and missing the start of the season, he returned in remarkable form, scoring eight tries in as many games. The fullback will compete for a spot in the team next to Max Jowitt.'"
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Not suggesting Jowitt plays half all the time, more pointing out that we have an option should injuries hit. Still it's a moot point now as it looks like Lino is staying.'"
It would appear so, however, if he is initially going to be a back up half at the start of the season, having your most experienced overseas player, who is a larger earner isn't ideal. Though I am a big advocate of picking players on form etc.
Maybe it could be that Eliis wants a return on his investment, before offloading him, should he wish to do so. It would cost less all round. Also, was there anyone else better, available to us, at the right time, who is a better fit
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"It would appear so, however, if he is initially going to be a back up half at the start of the season, having your most experienced overseas player, who is a larger earner isn't ideal. Though I am a big advocate of picking players on form etc.
Maybe it could be that Eliis wants a return on his investment, before offloading him, should he wish to do so. It would cost less all round. Also, was there anyone else better, available to us, at the right time, who is a better fit'"
Many including me raised eyebrows late 2023 when we gave Lino a 3.5 year deal. It was more the length of the deal.
Last year maybe there wasn’t so much the calibre of players available but we found some and there’s some quality available on the market now.
It’s no secret I’m no Lino fan. While ever he’s here and pulling short on he will get my support but he is very much Championship standard imho.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Powell actually believes Booth’s best position is in the centres. (his words).'"
I never said it was his best position, my words. I said potential.
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Max has looked class at half back in the championship , but a whole new world awaits him at super league level . leave him at his best position at fullback and let the half’s sort themselves out , surely between Lino , Russel and Trueman we can get a decent partnerships going in the off season . Why move a kid who covers the half’s but is a far better fullback, to move position when we have brought in players for that sole purpose . I doubt he would have had a sniff in the half’s if it wasn’t for the injuries to our current crew .'"
Name me 12 creative stand offs in SL who are better than Max. I think you are grossly underestimating him.
Remember he’s starring at 6 usually without a recognised scrum half. Imo Max would be a star at 6 even in SL. He basically plays FB like a 6.
Pongia and a lot of NRL players do both FB and 6 and they tend to be years ahead of us. Not suggesting Max is that level but neither is SL. Sorry Ketty but the games changed and you can’t typecast players anymore. I think you going to see players change positions more and more, especially in this role where FB and 6 have become very similar positions relatively speaking.
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| Quote ="vastman"Name me 12 creative stand offs in SL who are better than Max. I think you are grossly underestimating him.
Remember he’s starring at 6 usually without a recognised scrum half. Imo Max would be a star at 6. He basically plays FB like a 6.'"
Well Trueman for a start.
He's our fullback which is a vital position.
Of course he can cover but that's not how we are planning to build the team.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Well Trueman for a start.
He's our fullback which is a vital position.
Of course he can cover but that's not how we are planning to build the team.'"
True man is more a SH imo.
Max is hardly covering anymore, that’s very disrespectful! He’s a genuine now. For heavens sake players aren’t born with a brand saying FB only. Are you doing the same job you were at 17? Actually you probably are.
The point is that Max can easily cover and be effective and you know it.
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| Quote ="vastman"True man is more a SH imo.
Max is hardly covering anymore, that’s very disrespectful! He’s a genuine now. For heavens sake players aren’t born with a brand saying FB only. Are you doing the same job you were at 17? Actually you probably are.
The point is that Max can easily cover and be effective and you know it.'"
And my point is he is our fullback.
Doesn't matter where else he can play, if you move him you are losing something.
And his experience at 6 is with a losing team and a championship team.
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| Quote ="vastman"Name me 12 creative stand offs in SL who are better than Max. I think you are grossly underestimating him.
Remember he’s starring at 6 usually without a recognised scrum half. Imo Max would be a star at 6 even in SL. He basically plays FB like a 6.
Pongia and a lot of NRL players do both FB and 6 and they tend to be years ahead of us. Not suggesting Max is that level but neither is SL. Sorry Ketty but the games changed and you can’t typecast players anymore. I think you going to see players change positions more and more, especially in this role where FB and 6 have become very similar positions relatively speaking.'"
I grossly underestimate no one I just have my own options on players and for me I never got to see him have a run in super league at half back only fullback where he looked at ease in that position.According to Phil Gould fullback is the most important position on the field nowadays , so yes the game has changed and max at fullback is in the perfect position imo to exploit this new era
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"I don’t know anyone in the know so to me it’s not confirmed or even an option until it’s announced.'"
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| Quote ="Kettykat"I grossly underestimate no one I just have my own options on players and for me I never got to see him have a run in super league at half back only fullback where he looked at ease in that position.According to Phil Gould fullback is the most important position on the field nowadays , so yes the game has changed and max at fullback is in the perfect position imo to exploit this new era'"
I wouldn't take Vasty too seriously, he once said he thought Chris Annakin would make a good centre
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| One of Kay/Hood? Neither were announced to be leaving and I haven’t seen any contract extensions for them yet.
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