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| Rourkw will be a great signing puts pressure on virtually all the outside backs , as regards walmsley he’s one of only two wingers we have signed for 2025 so can’t really see an issue if he makes a couple of errors whilst filling in. Assuming the rourke rumour is true he’d be our third or even fourth choice full back next year.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Doubts about his future.
Well he's signed up so his future is with Wakefield for now.
To be pedantic Trojan I think he dropped 2 but I agree with what you are saying.
He's covering a position he's unlikely to play after this season.
The rest of his game was bang on yesterday.
Whether he'll be a success in SL remains to be seen but it will be with Wakefield and it will be on the wing.'"
Fair enough if it was two but that’s also unusual having seen a lot of his games this season.
Nobody does know for sure how he will go absolutely. I guess that some fans have more apprehension than others regards Walmsley but I think from the strides he’s made he has set himself up as well as he can do.
Unless we sign another winger he is the best option we have for right wing next season. I’m sure the club and himself will give him the best chance to succeed. Afterall I think that SL was his aim and he’s done it the hard way going up divisions (assuming we get there).
I do wish he would have played more wing this season but needs must and he’s been invaluable switching to full back so that Jowitt can switch to halfback. A move that probably has improved both players skill sets and versitality.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Fair enough if it was two but that’s also unusual having seen a lot of his games this season.
Nobody does know for sure how he will go absolutely. I guess that some fans have more apprehension than others regards Walmsley but I think from the strides he’s made he has set himself up as well as he can do.
Unless we sign another winger he is the best option we have for right wing next season. I’m sure the club and himself will give him the best chance to succeed. Afterall I think that SL was his aim and he’s done it the hard way going up divisions (assuming we get there).
I do wish he would have played more wing this season but needs must and he’s been invaluable switching to full back so that Jowitt can switch to halfback. A move that probably has improved both players skill sets and versitality.'"
I agree. He's got a lot going for him.
He'll take some time getting used to Super League. There are some big boys on the wing and he won't be able to just rely on speed alone as they are fast too.
Switching to FB has I think given him more range to his game. His passing is better and his evasive running is better. Both will help him when he's back on the wing.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Fair enough if it was two but that’s also unusual having seen a lot of his games this season.
Nobody does know for sure how he will go absolutely. I guess that some fans have more apprehension than others regards Walmsley but I think from the strides he’s made he has set himself up as well as he can do.
=#FF0000Unless we sign another winger he is the best option we have for right wing next season. I’m sure the club and himself will give him the best chance to succeed. Afterall I think that SL was his aim and he’s done it the hard way going up divisions (assuming we get there).
I do wish he would have played more wing this season but needs must and he’s been invaluable switching to full back so that Jowitt can switch to halfback. A move that probably has improved both players skill sets and versitality.'"
I know I keep repeating this but my source told me again last week that we have definitely signed Matty Russell
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| Quote ="PopTart"I agree. He's got a lot going for him.
He'll take some time getting used to Super League. There are some big boys on the wing and he won't be able to just rely on speed alone as they are fast too.
Switching to FB has I think given him more range to his game. His passing is better and his evasive running is better. Both will help him when he's back on the wing.'"
Totally agree. I think that’s one of the most important points that our backs have to be prepared for. There are bigger, stronger and faster opponents on the edges next season. Their physical demand will increase. That said I’m positive with the back room team we have they will prepare the players for this.
Regards tackling and Walmsley. I thought the start of the season we were getting a winger who struggled to tackle but was good in attack. Pretty much all year I’ve been impressed by his defensive side. He really doesn’t miss any and certainly makes his tackles.
Really looking forward to seeing how some of these players transition.
Had a conversation about Rodwell yesterday. He will go well in SL but he will come up against some bigger and stronger forwards too so that will be an interesting test for him.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Having my doubts about Walmsley's future. Was very hit and miss yesterday which compounded those thoughts.'"
I find he can sometimes be a weak spot at full back but good on the wing. One of the first things you learn when playing rugby is to not let the ball bounce, he seems to sometimes forget this and a full back can't do that. He also didn't look comfortable under a high ball yesterday. I was surprised Booth didn't play FB yesterday after his cracking game there previously.
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| Quote ="18th Man"I find he can sometimes be a weak spot at full back but good on the wing. One of the first things you learn when playing rugby is to not let the ball bounce, he seems to sometimes forget this and a full back can't do that. He also didn't look comfortable under a high ball yesterday. I was surprised Booth didn't play FB yesterday after his cracking game there previously.'"
But that's the point. He isn't a full back.
And Booth playing full back meant changing spine again when we were already changing the others.
It was fine for Barrow.
Some you players got a good test and we still won easily.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Totally agree. I think that’s one of the most important points that our backs have to be prepared for. There are bigger, stronger and faster opponents on the edges next season. Their physical demand will increase. That said I’m positive with the back room team we have they will prepare the players for this.
Regards tackling and Walmsley. I thought the start of the season we were getting a winger who struggled to tackle but was good in attack. Pretty much all year I’ve been impressed by his defensive side. He really doesn’t miss any and certainly makes his tackles.
Really looking forward to seeing how some of these players transition.
Had a conversation about Rodwell yesterday. He will go well in SL but he will come up against some bigger and stronger forwards too so that will be an interesting test for him.'"
In the backline Pratt and Walmesly are the only ones without SL experience.
I think Pratt is ready to take AL by storm I really do.
Walmesley we'll see but at worst he'll be average. He's not a weak link.
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| The problem for Walmely is that he is seldom selected for his obvious wing position. If we take yesterday’s team we had a winger at FB, a centre on the wing, a FB/ centre in the halves and a fullback at scrum half.
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| I personally like the way we have quality players able to play in other positions and not just as 'cover' but to a very good standard eg Jowitt, Walmsley, Booth and now Pratt on the wing !
Augers well for the future!
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"The problem for Walmely is that he is seldom selected for his obvious wing position. If we take yesterday’s team we had a winger at FB, a centre on the wing, a FB/ centre in the halves and a fullback at scrum half.'"
I think we all know it’s because Olpherts is a favourite of Powells.
After Wembley and Walmsley blitzing up to 20+ try’s and looking very potent at left wing Olpherts was shoehorned in without much reasoning from right to left.
Nothing against Olpherts as he’s done a good job this season for us but he was doing a perfectly good job on the right (as he did vs Barrow) so it just seemed very odd that Olpherts sealed that position down after Wembley.
Again I’m happy to have Olpherts and I was the first to champion his signing across many platforms when he signed with a number of fans not keen on his signing and defended him after his Batley away game too. I still think he’s a good championship winger but I really don’t get how he’s been immovable from the left wing this year when he was playing good on the right and Walmsley on left.
Only thing I can think it may be is getting experience on the right wing with an eye on next season. If it’s that fair enough I guess.
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| Because he makes more yardage out of the back than anyone else.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Because he makes more yardage out of the back than anyone else.'"
Which was the case on right wing also?
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Which was the case on right wing also?'"
I'm not saying he's right but that's why he likes Derrell
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| Quote ="PopTart"I'm not saying he's right but that's why he likes Derrell'"
I know that but I wasn’t questioning why he’s liked or why he was brought in. That’s the whole reason he was brought in and Franco was frozen out. Nobody banged the drum for Olpherts more than me early days and I still do for his yardage carried out the back.
It was just why after playing right wing that post Wembley Olpherts was shoehorned to the left. Some ocassions Walmsley being benched rather than favoured for right wing.
Not that it really matters now though. I just never really understood that.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"I know that but I wasn’t questioning why he’s liked or why he was brought in. That’s the whole reason he was brought in and Franco was frozen out. Nobody banged the drum for Olpherts more than me early days and I still do for his yardage carried out the back.
It was just why after playing right wing that post Wembley Olpherts was shoehorned to the left. Some ocassions Walmsley being benched rather than favoured for right wing.
Not that it really matters now though. I just never really understood that.'"
Injuries to halves, Jowitt moving to 6/7, Walmsley being the more versatile of the two, all contributed to him losing his left wing spot. He's not playing there next season (injury to Johnstone permitting) so perhaps Powell was trying him out in other positions.
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| I think that's exactly it Trojan - Walmsley will be on the right next year so think Powell's playing him there unless covering at full back. For what it's worth I've not loved Walmsley at full back - his positional sense is pretty good, and he's obviously a real threat pushing on early plays. But I'm not as convinced with his ball playing and short kicking game, which gets called on a lot in SL. No dramas this year, but delighted Rourke's coming in to provide cover for Jowitt. We haven't really had a second full back since Alex Walker, and that stung us last year particularly. Not sure Walker would have made a huge difference to the scorelines, mind.
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| Quote ="Butcher"I think that's exactly it Trojan - Walmsley will be on the right next year so think Powell's playing him there unless covering at full back. For what it's worth I've not loved Walmsley at full back - his positional sense is pretty good, and he's obviously a real threat pushing on early plays. But I'm not as convinced with his ball playing and short kicking game, which gets called on a lot in SL. No dramas this year, but delighted Rourke's coming in to provide cover for Jowitt. We haven't really had a second full back since Alex Walker, and that stung us last year particularly. Not sure Walker would have made a huge difference to the scorelines, mind.'"
Walker was never up to SL. Before we signed him from
London I could see he la led the ability to join the line, create the overlap and find a pass. Some players it comes natural like Max but others really struggle here and Walker struggled.
I take your point though that we haven’t had any real depth at fullback that’s quality in a while. For next season Jowitt, Roarke, Walmsley and Russell (if all true) is some very good depth.
Regards his ball playing, he did create 2 x assists at Barrow and I’m sure he’s our second highest assist maker in the squad for stats. He’s not got the finesse and accuracy in passing I’ll give you that but I think he’s got some ability on ball playing. Enough to cover the odd game at least. Agree about the kicking because we haven’t really seen it but hopefully the halves can take that load.
I suspect he will be on the wing anyway. We may have to be a little patient with him early season till he finds his SL feet.
Powell seems to have been testing the versitality like you say. Might bode well if we hit some injuries as I suppose the coaches will know in advance who’s more capable in different positions.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"https://wakefieldtrinity.com/trinity-land-nikotemo/'"
So what is the situation regarding 'overseas' signings now?
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| Quote ="phe13"So what is the situation regarding 'overseas' signings now?'"
3 rumours,
[listVangana fed trained.
Boothroyd not been retained,
Lino on his way. [/list:u
Guess one of them is true.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"3 rumours,
[listVangana fed trained.
Boothroyd not been retained,
Lino on his way. [/list:u
Guess one of them is true.'"
Boothroyd hasn't got a contract yet but that doesn't mean it's true.
No way is Lino going
Not sure on Vagana
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| The little bit I've seen and read about him makes me think he'll be a hit in SL.
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