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| Pace isnt everything in the halves....getting a combination that work together behind a strong pack is key for me.....call Sykes a 33 centre all ya like Dave but he has been a class 6 for us....a very underated player and one you dont appreciate fully until you see him week in week out doing all the little things right....a far, far better playet than i thought he was before we signed him......having said that....Finn wouldnt be for me....although he could surprise like sykes has......think we also need to pray sykes stays injury free.....
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| Honesty pal I aren't knocking either player - I just think as a pairing it wouldn't work. Their attributes don't seem to blend very well, that's not to say they don't have any.
As I say, I do think you need a degree of pace and flair in the halves, and as a pair I think that'd be their shortfall.
Again, that's not to say they're poor in their positions individually.
I don't think I'm getting my point across very well here
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"Honesty pal I aren't knocking either player - I just think as a pairing it wouldn't work. Their attributes don't seem to blend very well, that's not to say they don't have any.
As I say, I do think you need a degree of pace and flair in the halves, and as a pair I think that'd be their shortfall.
Again, that's not to say they're poor in their positions individually.
I don't think I'm getting my point across very well here'"
If you want to spend time getting your point across why not choose a subject with some credibility rather than peddling a stupid rumour.
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"Honesty pal I aren't knocking either player - I just think as a pairing it wouldn't work. Their attributes don't seem to blend very well, that's not to say they don't have any.
As I say, I do think you need a degree of pace and flair in the halves, and as a pair I think that'd be their shortfall.
Again, that's not to say they're poor in their positions individually.
I don't think I'm getting my point across very well here'"
You don't rate them Dave, nowt wrong with that viewpoint, I don't imagine as a half back pairing they're top of most Trinity supporters list either but if that's thats what we end up with so be it.
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| Have we signed Liam Finn, did I miss something?
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| Quote ="El Rey"Have we signed Liam Finn, did I miss something?'"
I sincerely hope not, the lads been destroyed before stepping on the pitch
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| I aren't peddling rumours either....
think is I do actually rate them both, just not as a pairing.
This brick wall is doing my head in
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| Quote ="vastman"I sincerely hope not, the lads been destroyed before stepping on the pitch
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Well I'll make comment if and when he signs, not going on someone farting on twitter.
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| Finn has been outstanding in the Championship - at Leigh, we're sick of the sight of him! - playing behind a good dominant pack. It would be interesting to see how he fares in SL.
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"I think you guys need more at half back than a 33 year old centre and a 30 year old with limited SL experience.
Cream over your pack all you want, yeah it's shaped up pretty well, but you won't win very many games without quality in the halves.
Each hour that passes is an hour nearer the season and less and less will become available. Sykes and Finn would be basically sound, but painfully slow and have virtually no flair.
To say lacking pace and flair is fine as long as you kick well is a very naive way of looking at the sport. Leeds do the "5 drives and kick" game plan very well but they'd still a golden boot winner playing half back all year, cause it sounds WAAAAY easier than what it is. To think you can get Finn and Sykes to do that at the top level and "grind out results" ....well, good luck I suppose'"
Since when have Leeds played 5 drives and a kick game plan?
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| OK before anyone else jumps on the defensive, this shall be my last post...
Leeds in big games stick to a failry basic game plan with few handling errors, then turning the ball over in good areas, applying pressure, forcing mistakes, then taking what chances they have. They don't have a very expansive game in big matches, they keep it tight.
So after making myself feel physically ill having to talk about the front wheel skids, I shall leave the speculation page...
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| Quote ="Alan"Finn has been outstanding in the Championship - at Leigh, we're sick of the sight of him! - playing behind a good dominant pack. It would be interesting to see how he fares in SL.'"
Wasting your breath mate - but I agree with you, I'm impressed when I watch him but others aren't.
I also thought he looked great against Cas and Wigan in the cup.
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| Quote ="vastman"Deary me that's rich. Nothing anonymous about me nor am I hiding 12,000 miles away.
Nothing petulant, I just don't like the posters attitude.
Your amature analysis of my personality from 12,000 miles away is especially amusing.
Just as an aside, living in Oz doesn't make you our resident NRL expert - that one is getting especially dull.'"
I am really surprised you didn't settle in Australia... Your 'all about me' attitude would fit in here beautifully...
My post was ... In fact ,,, a comment on the person you were arguing with... And was meant to be lighthearted.
I am sorry if it offended you...
No actually I am not... You are an unpleasant and judgmental person who delights in belittling others.
See I went anonymously petulant at you then and it felt good... As for HIDING in Australia... Well that's rich from someone who went running home.
Merry Christmas.
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| Ladies please!!
Please let's not have to resort to locking threads, deleting posts or dishing out warnings!!
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| Finn certainly did well against SL opposition a couple of seasons back when Fev ripped cas apart and ran a very close 2nd to the best team in the country
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| I'm uote="DAVE@CAS1990"why do you persist on thinking people assume they're experts, just becasue they have an opinion they stand by?
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| Why can no one express an opinion on here without being sarcastically called an "expert" by vastman?
Is that not what forums are for, expressing opinions, however outrageous they may seem to others?
I think the forum's self appointed expert on all things RL would be happier with a forum all to himself which would leave the rest of us mere mortals, to happily chat amongst ourselves, without suffering the wrath of vastman.
I use a few forums and this is without doubt the least enjoyable one.
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| Quote ="bigtilly"Why can no one express an opinion on here without being sarcastically called an "expert" by vastman?
Is that not what forums are for, expressing opinions, however outrageous they may seem to others?
I think the forum's self appointed expert on all things RL would be happier with a forum all to himself which would leave the rest of us mere mortals, to happily chat amongst ourselves, without suffering the wrath of vastman.
I use a few forums and this is without doubt the least enjoyable one.'"
Oh an expert on Vastman now?????
What credentials have you got for that?
Wait......oh.........sorry, I see your point now.
I'll get my coat.
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| In all seriousness the problem comes when people confuse facts with opinions.
Both writers and readers.
It does wind me up when people state their opinions like facts as we spend the next page with an argument about whether they are right.
It's not a big deal but it's where the discussions go wrong.
It's just the difference between
"They can't play together" and
"I don't think they'll be able to play well together because......"
We'll still all argue but it's easier to see what we are discussing.
Sorry if it sounds like I'm preaching. I don't mean to. Just thought I'd say how I see it.
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| Its a forum. Just because some bloke (im presuming?!) you probably dont know, doesnt agree with you then you take your bat and ball home??
Yes some people may put there opinions across in a manner you dont really like, but does it matter really?? Argue your point (in a civilised manner) as this is what the forum is all about.
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| Quote ="Fritzys Mullet"Its a forum. Just because some bloke (im presuming?!) you probably dont know, doesnt agree with you then you take your bat and ball home??
Yes some people may put there opinions across in a manner you dont really like, but does it matter really?? Argue your point (in a civilised manner) as this is what the forum is all about.'"
Exactly, if you can't except others views may not be in line with yours you are in the wrong place.
Provided you stay within the boundaries.
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| I thought that it was 'given', 'accepted', 'default' that what people post on the forum is an opinion not a fact, no matter how it's worded or put across. Unless they start quoting references or sources to evidence their statement and prove it to be the case and therefore a 'fact' I always just take it as an opinion which I may or may not agree with.
I sometimes get pulled up by posters (Dee Hell most recently) because I state my opinion in strong terms or in such a manner that someone comes back asking me to prove it!
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| Quote ="bigtilly"Why can no one express an opinion on here without being sarcastically called an "expert" by vastman?
Is that not what forums are for, expressing opinions, however outrageous they may seem to others?
I think the forum's self appointed expert on all things RL would be happier with a forum all to himself which would leave the rest of us mere mortals, to happily chat amongst ourselves, without suffering the wrath of vastman.
I use a few forums and this is without doubt the least enjoyable one.'"
Summed up to a 'T'. I used to post regularly on the old Wakefield forum but hardly ever do on here because of this reason and i just stick to reading occaisionally. 'Nasty Vasty' could start an argument in an empty room, he was always the same even years ago on the old board. Its a bit sad really but whatever floats your boat i suppose. It's not just us that suffers though, he has always tended to go winding up fnas on other boards too, hence many people on here don't think much of wakey fans. Such is life, every teams board seems to have one numpty that live to get peoples back up. I find the foe button quite useful for eliminating the trolls, just leave them talking to themselves.
Anyhoo back on topic, boy do we need a scrum half! Sykes I like at stand off and Goulding as back up is fine. So add a quality 7 now and i reckon we can surprise a few people. Not Finn though don't think he is up to myself. People on here used phrases for Thomas Bosc such as 'past it' and 'yesterdays man' and this may well be the case. But he is the same age age Finn so for me the same counts. Bosc has at least proven himself at superleague level, over the last decade since we released him, every superleague coach has left Finn alone and his new coach at Fev has brought in someone else to play his position so i'll trust their judgement and say leave him in the championship.
Josh Drinkwater keeps getting mentioned? Now i know he denied it on twitter but he randomly started following the club on there recently, the only english club he does? Maybe he is the young aussie we are chasing? Don't know whether he is any good but I trust Agar to get it right. Although it is always a risk and i hope he settles better than Issac John did.
Backs look good, just need some depth and the forwards look very strong. But they won't win you the game alone, and that quality scrum half is the missing piece of the jigsaw. Hope we get one.
Anyway i'm off back into hibernation now i've brought up my 100th. Sad i know!
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| Agree with all the above posts, however this has got little to do now with half backs!
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| Post deleted, topic locked.
When will people learn!!
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