The liabilty came from signing a strong squad and failing to see sufficient return as I stated earlier, a weaker cheaper squad would have meant less liabilty MAYBE because who would have watched them. You have a 60 year lease thanks to Colin and Neil ask the Coop. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_Cougars and check Wikipedia the previous folding was due to a real criminal. Maybe it was over kill but it was also half the price of the previous match day crew and I am sure there are invoices somewhere that can prove this. I am sorry about your nephew and if you had come to see me it would have been sorted, no one gets everything right but things can be made right.

The liabilty came from signing a strong squad and failing to see sufficient return as I stated earlier, a weaker cheaper squad would have meant less liabilty MAYBE because who would have watched them. You have a 60 year lease thanks to Colin and Neil ask the Coop. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_Cougars and check Wikipedia the previous folding was due to a real criminal. Maybe it was over kill but it was also half the price of the previous match day crew and I am sure there are invoices somewhere that can prove this. I am sorry about your nephew and if you had come to see me it would have been sorted, no one gets everything right but things can be made right.

Oh and the current directors could have kept the club out of liquidation they chose not to, to be able to start from £0 FACT

Colin and Neil took it on the chin for the club my words not theirs

Is it a FACT though? It's my understanding that the club are still paying the past debt off until the end of this year.

Incidentally, if you are new to internet forums there are two things you should bear in mind: using capitals ie "FACT" is the equivalent of shouting in the real world, using the word FACT (in capitals) is used by angry people with a weak argument.



I didn't join the last squabble, family members are emotional and such things should not be aired on the internet.

Firstly, I believe that Neil is Keighley Cougars through and through, but in his own way. He would be a good member of a larger board but I don't think he has the skill sets to handle the role he had. His interaction with people left a lot to be desired, particularly the fans.



Why did we get insufficient return? Lack of fans and sponsors? If so why?

Nothing personal against Neil, but in my opinion he wasn't up to it.

Dreamer fair comment and he would agree him and Colin werent enough it needed more and it took 9 years for the more to come forward.

I know I shouted fact because it was anger because I am nobodys crony I am not a bully I am not a thug and I am not a fortune stealer and being called those things makes me angry and I am his only son and I was in charge of match days for a total of 9 or 10 years cant remember exactly. If my arguments is weak feel free to pick holes in it I stand by comments 100% on here or face to face with anyone.

The question is how angry, angry enough to put these replies and thats all, I get rid of my frustrations on the rugby pitch the bigger ones than this.

£0 isnt the fact that would be ridicolous sorry for misleading that was poetic license, the fact is that the liquidation was a choice for financial reasons.

As a matter of interest check this out as well Stealth companycheck.co.uk/company/05151071

As a matter of interest check this out as well Stealth companycheck.co.uk/company/05151071

Quote ="forwardpass1"As a matter of interest check this out as well Stealth companycheck.co.uk/company/05151071'" It doesn't make for good reading does it? It was brought up around the time he took over the club as regards Link Telecom's troubles. IIRC Link Telecom got involved in a dispute with one of the major mobile network as regards a large contract to supply mobiles to teachers.

Quote ="forwardpass1"As a matter of interest check this out as well Stealth companycheck.co.uk/company/05151071'" It doesn't make for good reading does it? It was brought up around the time he took over the club as regards Link Telecom's troubles. IIRC Link Telecom got involved in a dispute with one of the major mobile network as regards a large contract to supply mobiles to teachers.

Everyone has their opinions and views - I really dont see why this post needs to be filled. If it is a non active post then lets do without it please. Really not sure what good it would be to the club, unless the rest of the directors dont go to away matches??

I think it is sad that Neil's family feel the need to come on here and defend their mistakes. (Or Choices) Do Cougars Fans want to live in the past or look to the future.

I don't know anybody who guns for Neil more than Spymaster. Do you think publicly doing a supporter of the club down in public constantly does anything to help the club. Perhaps you should go see Neil and discuss it face to face.

By the way Spymaster how many games have you been to this season?
Ahh none. How would your family have liked your mistakes over recent years discussed on here.

You are on Dodgy ground slinging mud at people and it is their families you upset also.

I think that this thread should be locked as it's going nowhere and 'Fossil' doesn't seem to be able to identify other 'posters' correctly.

I also think that Fossil needs to remember that Wikipedia states:



Which is what everyone believed. If Neil wasn't a member of the Board then why was he allowed to be the Cougars' representative on the RL Council? I only hope that my memory serves me right as he always appeared to be a 'Director'. There were others 'standing in the wings' when Colin and Neil took control of the Club but they had already registered the new name at Companies House/Registry and 'done the deal' before anyone else was able to take any action - A 'supporter's trust' would have been ideal at the time.

I would imagine most Cougar fans want to look to the future, however, sometimes you need to reflect on the mistakes of the past to ensure they don't happen again.

At times, Neil showed little respect for many of the fans and they reciprocated in kind.

For those reasons I do not think it is [i"forward thinking"[/i to put Neil in any position associated with the club, either official or honarary.

I couldn't agree more 'Dreamer'.

But, and this is a really [size=200BIG 'BUT'[/size why has everyone forgotten about the other 'Neil'?

Not Spencer but the one and only [size=200'MICK O'[/size. Mick was the real driving force behind the Cougars (apart from Mike [Smith) so why has everyone forgotten about the debt of gratitude that is owed to them and the only reason that they failed was Lindsay!

Say no more. Forget the Salvation Army proposing Neil Spencer. Without Mick O'Neil the Cougars would have been lost years ago.

So, can anyone answer the question:

If there has to be a 'Life President' then why not give the honour to someone who actually deserves it? [size=200MICK O'NEIL[/size

He was a member of the board until.



Sorry who have I miss identified I will correct it.

Vert Frank I am not defending my mistakes, I am denying the claims I am a crony,fortune hunter, bully and thug, I am not saying my father should have or wants the honour he is still enjoying his rugby I believe he would agree Mick O Neil is a good choice they are still friends but I started this to defend me not him.

Oh and Dreamer is 666 a really angry person with a seriously weak argument?

I dont think so but based on your statement I may be wrong as I dont have all the [size=85facts[/size.

If you are going to use my quote back at me at least don't add words for dramatic effect


I don't know "666", so I'm not sure if he (she) is an angry person. I can only assume that having watched what's happened to his (her) club over the last few years has made him (her) at least moderately miffed.


Are these fact, facts, poetic license facts, or facts that in fact aren't facts.



Can you answer the question that you ignored earlier?
You wrote:


I said:


I really don't want to get involved in a slanging match here. As I said earlier, members of Neils family are bound to get emotional when discussing such issues. Sometimes it needs an element of clinical detachment to see where the problem(s) lay. Neil believed in what he was doing, but in my opinion went about it the wrong way.

Dreamer you misunderstood it was humor. I used capitals, 666 used extra large bold capitals hence "really and seriously" merely expanding on your rhetoric. It seemed fair that you had a little fish on this minor point so I joined in.



Why did Cougars get insufficient return, big question and I can’t answer it and don’t want to I started this, once again to defend me and I apologise to my father for being drawn into defending him I should know better.

However could have just been too much for Neil and Colin, why they were so foolishly trying to manage it for people who wanted them out and after retirement age I do not know, I wouldn’t have done it.

Wait a minute love of the Keighley Cougars and rugby league.

Oh and let me ask a question 666, how many times was Neil Spencer a director of the club when it folded?

Just for fun explain this sentence to me. Are you saying you find I am a fool who has no experience on internet forums, or are you giving advice that with the strong argument I have I should not spoil it by putting words in capitals, or are you saying that I have a weak argument and the capitals prove this and you believe I was aware of the way capitals are taken but thought you would point it out to me anyway to try and make me look foolish, or are you just saying I am a angry person with a weak argument. I get the feeling the being helpful option is off the table so it must be one of the more lets be nasty for nasties sake options.

At the time I read your first post you only had two or three posts to your name so I assumed you were a newbie.

I was trying to be helpful with a bit of humour thrown in but hey, take it anyway you want.

If you use the wider RLFANS site you will notice that when the word FACT is used in captitals it is taken with a pinch of salt by other users. Just typing FACT after a statement does not make it so.

Now that actually was helpful, thank you.

The forum I go on there are only two rules, rule one you cant go too far, rule two, if you go too far refer to rule one.

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There are a lot more than two on here.
You can read them all [url=http://viewtopic.php?f=1&t=438945here[/url if you wish.

I did read them previously and feel free to tell me if I have breached any of them. The link to another rugby league site may be a breach and i will remove it if you would like it is where then Pennine Rugby league lunatics vent themselves, I dont generally take advantage of the liberal atitude they have but neither am I offend by it.

I wish everyone would read before posting. It would make this job better


Nope you certainley have not breached any that i am aware of.

Is there any point here?? Phantom Director or not, fail to see why this post has evolved. End of