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| Not been to any games but have watched them on TV, so far as Broncos interest goes Albert had an awesome game for PNG against top quality opposition (nice of Vossy to give the Broncos a shout out too). Parata, Tuliatu and Siti can also be proud of their performances in their respective matches.
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| Is anyone going to the semi final at Arsenal FC's ground? I might, but I'm hanging fire until train strike announcements have been made for that weekend
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| Quote ="Hockley Bronco"Is anyone going to the semi final at Arsenal FC's ground? I might, but I'm hanging fire until train strike announcements have been made for that weekend'"
H, Ive picked up tickets for the SF.
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| I'm going to the SF at Arsenal.
Good couple of games this week, PNG-Tonga, Cook Islands - Wales evenly matched.
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| Ireland were pretty dreadful today, error strewn and ill disciplined
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| Given some rather poor attendances, you can't say they have really embraced this world cup up North. It's not as though the prices are particularly high (I can pay £100 a pop to sit in Fulham's new stand). Maybe keeping most of it up there wasnt the best of ideas. Not seem much on TV audiences other that 1.8m max for England's 1st game which isn't great.
Sure I read somewhere Dutton was saying there won't be much profit from the event which if true is shocking but perhaps it might get through to some people just where in the pecking order RL is.
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| Quote ="Deadcowboys1"Given some rather poor attendances, you can't say they have really embraced this world cup up North. It's not as though the prices are particularly high (I can pay £100 a pop to sit in Fulham's new stand). Maybe keeping most of it up there wasnt the best of ideas. Not seem much on TV audiences other that 1.8m max for England's 1st game which isn't great.
Sure I read somewhere Dutton was saying there won't be much profit from the event which if true is shocking but perhaps it might get through to some people just where in the pecking order RL is.'"
Sub 100,000 (97) for the 14 games xcluding England thus far. Makes you wonder where the 60,000 weekly SL/Championship fans have been?
Ticketing has been a problem, as has the overall marketing. You get the impression that once the BBC took the rights, the organizers thought their work was done.
But a world cup averaging 6,600 excluding the hosts isn't good by any comparisons.
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| So just under 19k at the 32k capacity Bramell Lane. Not a good look on TV. They are I believe someway behind England Women's Euro attendence figures, which probably sums it up.
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| Quote ="Deadcowboys1"So just under 19k at the 32k capacity Bramell Lane. Not a good look on TV. They are I believe someway behind England Women's Euro attendence figures, which probably sums it up.'"
To be fair, across many sports down here crowds have been decidedly average post covid.
A conversation I had with a contractor about next years women's FIFA WC here was terrifying. The idea of getting 30 or 40,000 fans to a game is a real worry when you see how the Women's Union has gone. Same with the T-20 across the pond....sports will have to work much harder over the next few years. Shows the value in what I've been preaching for 20+ years....attract fans, treat them well and they get in the habit of coming back. Ignore that simple principle and end up with fewer than 300 members and sub 1k gates looking like Warrington reserves
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| There's no profit becausem after the hosting rights have been paid to the International RL, the tournament is running on a cost-basis. And we're playing this thing in the midst of a major economic situation. Those are the only things I'll defend Dutton on.
Meanwhile...the website is a joke, buying tickets is ludicrously difficult (you can't even pick a bloody seat!), prices are too high when you consider you're playing most of the games in the same handful of towns and therefore asking the same people to fork out for each game, and the placement of fixtures is insane (Tonga v Cooks at Boro?). All of that falls at Dutton's feet. He's not done a good job at all.
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| I know the Broncos move to Wimbledon happened a bit late, but I think a group game at Plough Lane may have drawn a decent crowd
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| Quote ="Hockley Bronco"I know the Broncos move to Wimbledon happened a bit late, but I think a group game at Plough Lane may have drawn a decent crowd'"
It might well have done, especially if it involved NZ or AUS. Sadly with all games bar 2 up North it looks like the RFL have given up on the capital and the South.
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| Not sure what can be done for the South, but regarding the capital; Colchester, Winchester, London...... Leigh! You heard it here first!!
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| Quote ="RfE"Sadly with all games bar 2 up North it looks like the RFL have given up on the capital and the South.'"
Wasn't the location of the games down to the "Northern Powerhouse" thing? Wasn't funding reliant on staging the games up there? (These are genuine questions: I'm not 100%)
The pricing strategy for the tickets looks like it was a mistake. Playing multiple games at the same venue definitely was.
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| Quote ="Bent&Bongser"Not sure what can be done for the South, but regarding the capital; Colchester, Winchester, London...... Leigh! You heard it here first!!'"
Come on, Bongser, you know full well Leigh it isn't going to be the capital any time soon.
Given your username, I thought you'd know in advance; it's going to be Tyldesley.
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| Correck (sic), Benny. Bongs also no longer has a railway station but The Bridgewater Canal (The Cut) "flows" through Leigh - and very close to LSV. It's gonna happen!
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| Quote ="nadera78"There's no profit because after the hosting rights have been paid to the International RL, the tournament is running on a cost-basis. '"
Correct. The hosting rights are essentially "anything that is left after the bills are paid goes to development"....so if cities bid to host games and TV companies paid for rights etc, all that money, less operating costs are the fee.
Quote ="nadera78"And we're playing this thing in the midst of a major economic situation.'"
As often is the case, when times get tough, Rugby League fans think they are the only ones feeling the pinch...try and buy a ticket to England v the All Blacks at Twickenham later this month...even the £3k hospitality is all gone. QATAR will not be deemed "too expensive" and neither will a Tuesday Champions League match for the thousands of soccer fans from the UK who regularly make mid week trips, but ask someone from Hull to go to Leigh to pay £25 to watch top class international players and it becomes a "cost of living" excercise.
Christ. FIFA USA 94 cost me the better part of £20,000 and I wouldn't have had it any other way!
Quote ="nadera78"Those are the only things I'll defend Dutton on.'" ...sorry, but compared to 2013 there's little to redeem anyone associated with this comp so far. England winning it might be his only hope
Quote ="nadera78"Meanwhile...the website is a joke, buying tickets is ludicrously difficult (you can't even pick a bloody seat!), prices are too high'"
If it were just pricing then the cheaper seats would sell out. This is supposed to be the pinnacle of the sport...£15 or even £25 isn't a lot to ask.
Quote ="nadera78"when you consider you're playing most of the games in the same handful of towns and therefore asking the same people to fork out for each game, '"
The same RL fans in the heartlands who have been screaming and whining about the lack of Internationals are now not going because they won't pay £75 to sit on half way nor £25 behind the sticks. No pleasing some, especially northerners
Quote ="nadera78"and the placement of fixtures is insane (Tonga v Cooks at Boro?).'"
from wiki
Quote Tributes also abound in post-industrial Middlesbrough, including a primary school,[108 shopping square[109 and the Bottle 'O Notes, a public artwork by Claes Oldenburg, that was erected in the town's Central Gardens in 1993. Also named after Cook is James Cook University Hospital, a major teaching hospital which opened in 2003 with a railway station servicing it called James Cook opening in 2014'"
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Quote As it was, Cook did not encounter the Tongan islands until his Second Voyage, when he stopped at both 'Eua and Tongatapu (or, by Tasman's nomenclature, Middleburg and Amsterdam respectively) in October of 1773. Here he was "welcomed a shore by acclamations from an immence [sic crowd of Men and Women not one of which had so much as a stick in their hands".3
Indeed, Cook found the islanders to be so accommodating that he returned to the archipelago in 1774 on his way back from New Zealand. Stopping at the island of Nomuka, Cook was sought out by name, and with this "proof that these people have a communication with Amsterdam ", the cultural unity of the islands was established.
It was at this time that he famously named the island group the Friendly Archipelago, "as a lasting friendship seems to subsist among the Inhabitants and their Courtesy to Strangers intitles [sic them to that Name." 4
Cook's Third Voyage also included a visit to Tonga, this time for a stay of several months. Cook first dropped anchor at Nomuka in May, and then, at the invitation of the great chief Finau, travelled to another island, Lifuka. Here, Cook and his men were treated to such entertainments as "whould [sic have met with universal applause on a European Theatre ".'"
Might be that Middlesbrough actually Bid for the games because they felt that there was a direct link between one of their own really liking one country, whilst the other was named after him?
Quote ="nadera78"All of that falls at Dutton's feet. He's not done a good job at all.'"
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| Quote ="Benny Profane"Wasn't the location of the games down to the "Northern Powerhouse" thing? Wasn't funding reliant on staging the games up there? (These are genuine questions: I'm not 100%)
The pricing strategy for the tickets looks like it was a mistake. Playing multiple games at the same venue definitely was.'"
'Northern Powerhouse'
Up there with 'levelling up' and that old 80s classic ' trickle down'.
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| Quote ="RfE"'Northern Powerhouse'
Up there with 'levelling up' and that old 80s classic ' trickle down'.'"
And the Norther voters swallowed it, Hook, Line and Sinker, delivering the show of a government who fresh from mishandling a pandemic causing hundreds of thousands of deaths now want to give tax breaks to the super rich at the start of a recession.
Still. At least Corbyn didn't get in. That would have been a disaster
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| Quote ="orangeman"And the Norther voters swallowed it, Hook, Line and Sinker, delivering the show of a government who fresh from mishandling a pandemic causing hundreds of thousands of deaths now want to give tax breaks to the super rich at the start of a recession.
Still. At least Corbyn didn't get in. That would have been a disaster'"
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For a start, I'm not sure how we can blame David Hughes for any of it...
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| Quote ="Benny Profane"Politics? I'm not sure that should be discussed on this forum (even though I'm inclined to agree with you, for once
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For a start, I'm not sure how we can blame David Hughes for any of it...'"
Easy.
Energy prices are skyrocketing, which is contributing to the general malaise around the economy. Meanwhile, these energy companies are making billions.
Hughes is a smaller version of these energy companies, most of whom don't generate the energy, they broker it. Therefore, when your home gets repossessed there is a chance you can blame Hughes. SIMPLEZ
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| Quote ="orangeman"Easy.
Energy prices are skyrocketing, which is contributing to the general malaise around the economy. Meanwhile, these energy companies are making billions.
Hughes is a smaller version of these energy companies, most of whom don't generate the energy, they broker it. Therefore, when your home gets repossessed there is a chance you can blame Hughes. SIMPLEZ
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Not sure if Hughes still has involvement at Vitol but they are certainly cashing in on the energy crisis making around $4.5 billion in the first six months of this year. Compared to last years record $4.2 billion profit for the full year they are on course for quite the bonanza.
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| Well done Samoa, superb performance today.
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| Quote ="Deadcowboys1"Well done Samoa, superb performance today.'"
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