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However, he's about as competitive as they come and currently the only Saints player that goes against the negative Wellens aura that surrounds the entire team. He'd be amazing playing under Burgess. Not sure where he'd fit in though, as we need a controlling half to complement Williams.
The celebration looked a little out of place for the team, but I can understand why he was so happy on a personal level. Textbook tackle.'"
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Not sure if it’s been mentioned, can’t be mithered reading back, but Lees absolutely right to call out Drinkwater, though my irony meter did go through the roof given Ritson’s actions 5 minutes previous to that!
Simple, get rid of the video ref review of things, I’m absolutely in favour of tidying dangerous contact up, but it’s ruining the game as a spectacle. I didn’t bother watching the game back because I knew the breaks would bother me.
Sort it out RFL or you’ll lose customers.
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I think SB is right, if a player stays down for a certain period it is an automatic 11 days out for concussion protocols.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"I think SB is right, if a player stays down for a certain period it is an automatic 11 days out for concussion protocols.'"
No it's a silly idea that hasn't been thought through. What if they stay down rubbing their knee? You just incentivise another form of skullduggery. We shouldn't jump to an automatic assumption that players are faking: most of the time they are not.
If someone goes down with suspected head contact or concussion from a 'whiplash' type tackle, they should be off for 10 minutes' HIA straightaway. No 'how many fingers' and then skipping away to play the ball as soon as a penalty has been given. It's a safety issue. If they are fit and well, back they come after 10 minutes. |
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If someone goes down with a whiplash type tackle they can't take them off straightaway, they have to go through the process to make sure they've not got any spinal/neurological issues,
You're ALWAYS gonna have that stoppage with that type of suspected injury.
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| Quote ="Alffi_7"Not sure if it’s been mentioned, can’t be mithered reading back, but Lees absolutely right to call out Drinkwater, though my irony meter did go through the roof given Ritson’s actions 5 minutes previous to that!
Simple, get rid of the video ref review of things, I’m absolutely in favour of tidying dangerous contact up, but it’s ruining the game as a spectacle. I didn’t bother watching the game back because I knew the breaks would bother me.
Sort it out RFL or you’ll lose customers.'"
You should watch the game back it's worth it.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"If someone goes down with a whiplash type tackle they can't take them off straightaway, they have to go through the process to make sure they've not got any spinal/neurological issues,
You're ALWAYS gonna have that stoppage with that type of suspected injury.'"
That's fine, award the HIA straight away and then give the medical staff the time they need to get the player off the pitch safely. |
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| Quote ="just_browny"That's fine, award the HIA straight away and then give the medical staff the time they need to get the player off the pitch safely.'"
In Drinkwater`s case, it wasn`t a head injury. |
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Oh for the days when not every match was televised and there wasn't always a video ref to play up to.
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Quote ="Boss Hog"In Drinkwater`s case, it wasn`t a head injury.'"
Not it was late contact causing flexion to the head, neck or spinal column.
https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/do ... 20Note.pdf
Guidance on Grading for Dangerous Contact (Late hit on passer)
The RFL has been asked to provide further clarity around the guidance used for determining
the grade of Dangerous Contact charges, specifically for the charge under Law 15.1 (i):
Behaves in any way contrary to the true spirit of the game (includes Dangerous
Contact)
[iA defending player makes contact with an opponent after the ball has been
released by an opponent in a vulnerable position which causes flexion to the
head, neck or spinal column on an attacking player, which poses an
unacceptable risk of injury to that player.[/i
For the avoidance of doubt, this document relates solely to this particular section contained
within Dangerous Contact of the On Field Sentencing Guidelines pursuant to the above
Charge. It is not intended to apply to any additional contact to the head offences which fall
under Laws 15.1 (a) Trips, kicks or strikes another player, 15.1 (b) When tackling or attempting
to tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent or 15.1 (k) Shoulder Charge.
The Laws of the Game serve to protect players from concussions and sub concussions caused
by flexion to the head, neck or spinal column as a result of intentional, reckless or careless
late hits.
Any contact with a player after he or she has released the ball amounts to Misconduct pursuant
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Quote ="Boss Hog"In Drinkwater`s case, it wasn`t a head injury.'"
Not it was late contact causing flexion to the head, neck or spinal column.
https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/do ... 20Note.pdf
Guidance on Grading for Dangerous Contact (Late hit on passer)
The RFL has been asked to provide further clarity around the guidance used for determining
the grade of Dangerous Contact charges, specifically for the charge under Law 15.1 (i):
Behaves in any way contrary to the true spirit of the game (includes Dangerous
Contact)
[iA defending player makes contact with an opponent after the ball has been
released by an opponent in a vulnerable position which causes flexion to the
head, neck or spinal column on an attacking player, which poses an
unacceptable risk of injury to that player.[/i
For the avoidance of doubt, this document relates solely to this particular section contained
within Dangerous Contact of the On Field Sentencing Guidelines pursuant to the above
Charge. It is not intended to apply to any additional contact to the head offences which fall
under Laws 15.1 (a) Trips, kicks or strikes another player, 15.1 (b) When tackling or attempting
to tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent or 15.1 (k) Shoulder Charge.
The Laws of the Game serve to protect players from concussions and sub concussions caused
by flexion to the head, neck or spinal column as a result of intentional, reckless or careless
late hits.
Any contact with a player after he or she has released the ball amounts to Misconduct pursuant
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Lees is an absolute liability and isn’t good enough to offset that. Wouldn’t want him anywhere near my side. Saints have splashed a bit of cash on their backs for next season when their pack needs a lot of work IMO.
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"Lees is an absolute liability and isn’t good enough to offset that. Wouldn’t want him anywhere near my side. Saints have splashed a bit of cash on their backs for next season when their pack needs a lot of work IMO.
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They looked knackered on Sat and not just Walmsley. Delaney had been on 5 minutes when he was struggling to get back into the line.
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| Quote ="Wires71"I think Lees would be great under Burgess, but agreed their pack needs work.'"
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Quote ="Wanderer"Yes, I'd be surprised if we don't hear more on that.'"
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There's some cracking posts on redvee including this one which I think's my favourite:
I can imagine the conversation during last week:
Frayssinous: "Paul I have a brilliant plan for the game against Warrington"
Wellens: "Go on""
Frayssinous: "How about we utilise five one-up drives and a crap kick on every set?"
Wellens: "But we've tried that every game so far this season and it's failed miserably?"
Frayssinous: "Exactly, Warrington won't expect us to be using it again"
Wellens: "Great thinking, let's go with that"
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We should mock St Helens at our peril. Even if this is one of their worst seasons they are likely to finish in the top 6. wasnt so long ago we were sweating on beating tolouse at home to stay in the league.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"If someone goes down with a whiplash type tackle they can't take them off straightaway, they have to go through the process to make sure they've not got any spinal/neurological issues,
You're ALWAYS gonna have that stoppage with that type of suspected injury.'"
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| Quote ="Wires71"We should mock St Helens at our peril. Even if this is one of their worst seasons they are likely to finish in the top 6. wasnt so long ago we were sweating on beating tolouse at home to stay in the league.'"
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Play-off rugby is where intensity lifts and the defence comes to the fore.
Lower scoring games, and defence wins.
I like everything Sam and his support have gone about our season. Minus the huge blip at Wembley and the after effects. Also the fatigue blip vs KR at home.
Constantly evolving and building to shape for one thing, which Sam won’t say.
None of the top 3 will have an easier chance to win a GF however all 3 are in a different mini league to the rest, who are playing it out for place money. Imo.
This is a type of team I don’t think I’ve ever seen at Warrington before. No ‘bad apples’ no player egos. Grit and endurance that typically isn’t the Warrington thing..,,
And I love it.'"
That couldn't be more untrue.
The team finishing 3rd has to play one more game than the teams 1st and 2nd - By definition, it will therefore be harder to win it. In theory, Warrington could have to go through St Helens, Hull KR and Wigan to win it...
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Would have preferred to play the Pies in the semi-finals and get that game out of the way, win or lose.
Hull KR losing on Friday night now means that it is highly unlikely we will play Wigan until the Final (If we get there)
A Wire v Hull KR final would have much better for the games` profile with the current monopoly of only a few clubs winning the Grand Final.
With both clubs odds on to finish 2nd & 3rd, they are destined to play each other in the semi-finals unfortunately.
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| Quote ="nathan_rugby"That couldn't be more untrue.
The team finishing 3rd has to play one more game than the teams 1st and 2nd - By definition, it will therefore be harder to win it. In theory, Warrington could have to go through St Helens, Hull KR and Wigan to win it...
Additionally, one of the top 2 could get an easier run dependent on how the first round of play offs go.'"
“Untrue”?
Or not in your opinion!
The key word in your reply is “could” x2, and the phrase “in theory” which indicates you have nothing to prove it’s untrue.
While the key acronym in my post is “imo” which means, I never said it was a fact or truth, but my opinion.
And I stand by my “imo” because your post ‘couldn't be more untrue’ or farther from my changing my mind.
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It's clearly statistically more unlikely to win 3 games in a row than two so long as the chance of winning the 1st game is < 100%. We had a real chance at top 2 and, unfortunately for us, we didn't take it. Being honest I think Wigan and Hull KR are the stronger sides over the course of the season.
Two years or so ago (11/8/2022) we were tussling for 11th in the league. That is one turnaround.
If we can win ONE playoff game that is more than we have done since 2018.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"“Untrue”?
Or not in your opinion!
The key word in your reply is “could” x2, and the phrase “in theory” which indicates you have nothing to prove it’s untrue.
While the key acronym in my post is “imo” which means, I never said it was a fact or truth, but my opinion.
And I stand by my “imo” because your post ‘couldn't be more untrue’ or farther from my changing my mind.
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What are you talking about? My use of could and in theory are because I cannot be certain and there are multiple scenarios.
Statistically speaking you are completely wrong. Even when you ignore statistics you are wrong.
You honestly think Warrington have a 33.33% chance of winning the grand final? Despite finishing 3rd, having never won it before and having to play 1 extra game than the teams finishing 1st or 2nd?
The bookies completely disagree also.
Wigan 10/11
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| Quote ="Boss Hog"Would have preferred to play the Pies in the semi-finals and get that game out of the way, win or lose.
Hull KR losing on Friday night now means that it is highly unlikely we will play Wigan until the Final (If we get there)
A Wire v Hull KR final would have much better for the games` profile with the current monopoly of only a few clubs winning the Grand Final.
With both clubs odds on to finish 2nd & 3rd, they are destined to play each other in the semi-finals unfortunately.'"
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