The one handed pass from wrench to Holroyd for his second try was brilliant. Considering Wrench was running in the direction of the corner flag it would have been a really difficult skill to execute. It went largely unnoticed and if the director realised how skillful it was I am sure we would have seen more of it.

A lot of teams have a dominant side of attack and that is usually the left edge. I think last year nearly 50% of Leigh's tries were on the left 1/3 of the pitch. So no surprise that Thewlis, Wrench and Holroyd see a bit more traffic and probably executed to a higher standard and I think they are doing ok. Considering we are picking up wins and we are "Earning whilst learning" it is really valuable experience.
Just so happens that at the moment our dominant side is our right edge. I think that will even up as the season progresses and King and Ashton will get their share of success in attack.

It’s no secret I was always a fan of Ratchford.

However 1st pick a centre for me is King and Wrench.

We cannot simply carry a player be it Ratchford or a Botica reincarnation who may get you between nil and 2 kicks a game more than a half decent kicker.

You get your outside backs to run the ball in a little where there is the option to do so.

Bottom line is, a kicker missing kicks isn’t really going to loose you a game, however a very good one can pinch you an occasional win, but throughout a season, you could probably count on one or two fingers how many games he has.

For that very reason, we cannot carry Ratchford if he isn’t playing centre or halfback as good or better than any other squad player.

Just to say for the king critics. He's got into the voono team of the month, whatever that is... https://twitter.com/WarringtonRLFC/stat ... HvgAw&s=19

Just to say for the king critics. He's got into the voono team of the month, whatever that is... https://twitter.com/WarringtonRLFC/stat ... HvgAw&s=19

Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Just to say for the king critics. He's got into the voono team of the month, whatever that is... https://twitter.com/WarringtonRLFC/stat ... HvgAw&s=19'" Voono is one of two fantasy league games supported by the RFL And although you wouldn't know it from my match day predictions on here. I'm currently top of the global league so have won Challenge Cup tickets, Super League + passes. Thanks in no small part to the form of Dufty.

Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Just to say for the king critics. He's got into the voono team of the month, whatever that is... https://twitter.com/WarringtonRLFC/stat ... HvgAw&s=19'" Voono is one of two fantasy league games supported by the RFL And although you wouldn't know it from my match day predictions on here. I'm currently top of the global league so have won Challenge Cup tickets, Super League + passes. Thanks in no small part to the form of Dufty.

Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Just to say for the king critics. He's got into the voono team of the month, whatever that is... https://twitter.com/WarringtonRLFC/stat ... HvgAw&s=19'" He is a centre though not a forward. How many line breaks, assists and tries ?

Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Just to say for the king critics. He's got into the voono team of the month, whatever that is... https://twitter.com/WarringtonRLFC/stat ... HvgAw&s=19'" He is a centre though not a forward. How many line breaks, assists and tries ?

My view of King is that he looked fairly ordinary on sunday. Yes he takes the ball up a lot but i haven't seen much creativity from him. ie line breaks, offloads to his winger, running decent lines. If we want him just as a battering ram we may as well move him into the second row.

And who's gonna do the effective battering ram stuff that he does from centre?

Cos he won't be doing those things, he'll be taking a breather

Also this stinks of recency bias from this week. We tore kr a new bum hole down the left last week, that wasn't down to king, but it didn't need to be as long as he ran his lines hard.

Line breaks 3
Try Assists 1
Tries 2

All of which stack against his peers, again easy opposition, and also he does well in tackle busts and offloads. As well as doing a job defensively.

We have won 4 on the bounce and IMO we have improved week after week so far. I know yesterday wasn't a great barometer to judge defensively but we were ruthless in attack missing a number of players. I don't understand why we are bashing our own players? Why are we looking for faults in Toby King? I get the concerns with wrench, I have the same but I think he played well yesterday and he has improvement in him still.

Dudson deserved some criticism for appalling stats, but none of the players who have played in recent weeks deserve any flack.

We shouldn't get carried away because we have seen wheels fall off quite a lot in recent times, however we should all be enjoying the commitment to the cause and effort of the players at the moment. The results are favourable of course but there has been a lot to like in our performances too.

I cannot criticise King in any capacity this season.
It’s fairly obvious that no bridges were burnt between King with any of the board or coaching staff outside of Powell and Sheridon.

King has been muted about his away days and his return and so not aggravated feelings on the season and a half ordeal.

I’m far from being a King fan, and if offered Wardle instead, I wouldn’t need to be asked twice, but without standing out this season, he hasn’t done anything worthy of flack.

King has been solid as has Currie, perhaps in part for players being coached as a team, and restricting individualism for unity. Less being more.

Only Dufty having the blanc carte to capitalise on the opportunities that having a strong uniformed threat right across the team creates, by stretching defenders instead of localised threats like we’ve had for a few years. No longer can teams flush out our limited strengths and predictability, and now this gives Dufty an attack platform, and he is now for us what French is for Wigan.

All well and good but ... the 2021 Grand Final was decided by 2 points.

Yeah, Saints 2 tries Catalan one try



A good goal kicker is obviously important but Saints won their last two grand finals with Makinson as goal kicker, and before that Coote - who’s decent, but not a patch on Ratchford goal kicking wise. Smith started 2023 terribly with the boot but certainly grew in to it for Wigan.

We need to have one eye on the future, keeping Ratchford on the sidelines means more game time for Wrench / Thewlis & Hayes. It also gives Thewlis & Hayes practice and experience to take on that goal kicking position in future.

For me Ratchford is playing the squad role which he should've had for the past two seasons. As a squad man covering most positions and with his experience and goalkicking - it's perfect.

True. We need to get Thewlis and Hayes practicing kicking as hard as Ratchford does. Should be obvious decision for Hayes if he wants to make himself indroppable.

Which completely backs up my point.
Thank you for that example.

Whether it earns Ratchford a place I'm not so sure BUT I think underestimating the importance of goal kicking is wrong.

I always want the extras that a Whitehead, a Hesford, or a Hodgson offered as it can create winning margins and skew a score line so that the opposition have to change their approach or accept defeat. Having the extra two then getting the ball back what's not to like? I'm sure that Leeds and Sinfield made the most of it on more than one occasion.

In 2023, of the recognised goal kickers (players who kicked 30 or more goals in the season), Ratchford had the highest percentage at 86% with Harry Smith and Tommy Makinson at the bottom of the list at 65% and 63% respectively. If Smith had matched Ratchfords record then he would have landed an additional 31 goals for the season (league, cup and play-offs).

That's an average of 2 points per game.

The point, in case you missed it, was that 2 points can be crucial especially in tight games where defences are on top. we got lucky at Hull KR.

Any how Im not sold on Wrench just yet for other reasons. We are weak defensively on that right edge. We will see.

Wrench v Ratchford shouldn't be a discussion. If both are fit then Wrench should play every single time. I find it strange that we've been banging on about youth and sticking with them and 5 games in and some are panicking. Yes Wrench has been culpable a few times in defence but he's also scored/assisted tries that Ratchford would have got nowhere near.

These kind of mistakes would've been made by Welsby, Percival, Marshall etc etc when they first got into first team. If Wrench is showing no signs of defensive improvement in 10/15 more games then we might have an issue. He may cost us a game - so be it, we need to crack a few eggs if we're to move on. Ratchford should be emergency back up only.

I agree with this, but it's more than just dropping Ratchford, it's leaving the team without a recognised goal kicker that's troubling (not panicking) me.

Ratchford`s goal kicking hasn`t always been as superb as it is now.

Prior to Wire bringing a specialist RU goalkicking coach it was virtually as inconsistent as we are now seeing from Thewlis and Hayes.

If Ratchford isn`t able to pass his goalkicking skills on to our younger kickers, then the club needs to bring in a goal kicking coach again.

Then, like Wigan did with Smith, we persevere with Thewlis/Hayes as goalkicker - if in their pursuit of excellence we lose some close games then we suck it up.

Also worth noting that Ratchford bottled a high pressure yet routine kick at goal. Still think he'd be shaky with a pressure kick.

Fair enough. Yes that was sad to see, he clearly bottled it didn't he.

This is very true, he was a bit so-so for a long time, then became very consistent. Maybe get the same RU goalkicking coach back for Thewlis/Hayes et al.