He was taking both team's defensive lines back 14m in the first half.

Are you surprised ? Brian Carney was the worst yesterday ,practically cheering Cas on.. He was almost crying when we were winning 10-0 saying the ref had helped us because he was keeping Cas back a big 10 metres ???? Thought that was the rules !!!

Gareth Hewer.

Dreadful from us, we should have been out of sight after 30 mins really. Not many positives to take from yesterday's game. Gidley was very poor, same old problems we seem to have from time to time, we don't respect possession and we our completion rate isn't good enough. We dropped on the 1st/ 2nd tackle too often and let Cas off the hook. We desperately need some bodies back.

can anybody explain to me why we dont take the two points on offer when we get a penalty in front of the sticks, we just want to be billy big balls and try and score on every play

Expected the defeat with the amount of injuries plus the fact Cas had full team back finally. If we had taken the chances in the first half and kept them to Nil, who knows but its clear that injuries are hurting us so we will need to try and hang in until we get healthy. If we keep tabs with the top, when we get bodies back we will be fine

I felt that during the last five minutes of the first half Castleford went into 'panic mode', tossed the ball about and it stuck. On most other days there would have been missed passes, dropped balls, knock-ons galore and we would have gone into the break 14-0 (or better) up and probably gone on to win the game. As it turned out, the late first half scores gave them confidence to go on and dominate the second half whereas we folded. Taking nothing away from Castleford who were clearly deserved winners of the match, but we are starting to see too many of these England Cricket style collapses once the opposition gain the upper hand.

Absolutely spot on. Cas had a spell in that final 10 mins of the first half where they just offloaded at every opportunity, and fortunately for them by a combination of skill, luck and good conditions everything stuck. On another day, it might not have or play might have broken down and we'd have taken advantage to score again.

I think it's a reflection of the modern game. When teams get two scores in front, the opposition often go into Harlem Globetrotter mode to try and get quick points back. Sometimes it works, the team get momentum, the opposition start to give penalties away trying to stem the flow and games change. Once a team gets a 16-18 point lead the balance has usually tipped that little too far from rescue, because the opposition need to play the offload game almost constantly, and errors inevitably occur.

It was a similar style of play to what produces many of our points.

Indeed it was, and similar to the style we employed to gain the upper hand in the first place and to generate several further half chances. If we'd made everything stick during our Harlem Globetrotter spell, we'd have been out of sight.

Our bench were fantastic for us. Webster springer mcShane and cook all came on and added something positive. I wouldn't say we were in panic mode, it was just confidence. Going in at 12 14was a in essence like going in at half time in front . 2nd half Moors got on a role, our set completion was good and you guys had no answer. I'm sure our paths will cross again this season.

Cas fan in peace here. Some one earlier in the post said (rightly) that our first try got our enthusiasum back up. I agree in part but think it was the quality of the try that got our pecker back up.
Watching the game I always thought we would come back as even in the first 20 we were playing good rugby but silly mistakes cost us a couple of tries.
A lot has been made of missing half backs but in recent games that we have won we have had Millington and Mcshane in the halves (for the full 80 against Leeds last week) so its just a number on the shirt really.
One last thing and I may have commented on it last season but I don't really get what you see in Sims. A bit like Robbie Savage and Big Eorl he would go unnoticed without the long hair. Average at best and carried by Hill for my money.

Sims talks great both off and on the field and motivates the team. However, he's lightweight and seldom if ever has broken a tackle.
Last season it looked like TS had finally seen sense by putting him on the bench as impact.
It worked, perhaps the most effective I'd seen him.
The week later he's back starting prop and played as predictable as ever.
I hoped Sims would have are a few more puddings during the pre season. He hasn't.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Sims basher. He has a very important role to play, but IMO it's better suited off the bench when defences are tyring to utilise his mobility to greater effectiness.

Sims is a second rower for me which we are awash with. He plays with passion and commitment maybe a bit over enthusiastic with it at times.

We were outplayed today no excuses about injuries for me, the team was good enough in the first 20. Our heads went down and yours up when scored first try for sure. Our inability to change a game that's slipping away is what worries me.

I think that gidley has come in for some unfair criticism, passes didn't come off he's already played through a knock and been injured and this is catching up with him. Our ability to rotate rest players. Has been massively affected by the injuries. I think this is having a bigger effect than we think, was a clip of moores or Webster fending hilly off ad still making yards. We need bodies back and some need some recovery time

A lot of work to be done before next game in defence and getting the team back to the levels of enthusiasm these shown at the start of the season!!

Chris Hill is doing much more than he should be to hold that team together ,as is Ben Westwood.

Spot on. Hill and Westwood are non stop and they carried our team on their backs in '14 &'15 and they still do it now at times.

In terms of our structure and defense I think we really underestimated the input of Jack Hughes this season. He's been an absolute rock and we've been missing him the past two weeks especially.

I was at Newcastle watching the game live but have just watched the full game back on youtube. I may have been a bit harsh on Sims as he did get through a mountain of work. He just seems to be one of those players that works hard without any end result but I suppose every team needs players like that to keep the playmakers fresh
Could I just ask what is Richard Agars official position at the club? watching the game every time the camera panned to to coaching staff he seemed totally disinterested both when you were winning and losing.

Team. Coach I believe.

If he was to stop with the over dramatising and trying to ref the game sims would be noticed more for his work n effort more.

We look less of a side when he and hilly are not on.together slightly less when one or the other is on, I think they both appreciate the work each other does and it spurs them both on.

He reminds me slightly if a feildon type prop not huge but deceptively strong and has the heart for the front row.

If only Sims was as effective and tough as he likes to portray. Not a patch on the likes of our other supporting forwards from recent history such as Carvell or Paul Wood. But Im told he finds the ground well, so that's OK.

I agree with wirewirewire we have really missed jack Hughes , how long before he is back?

Totally agree with Dezzie, I think Sims is 2nd row or a light front row. At our place i think he'd even be a light 2nd row behind Ellis, Pritchard, Green, Sika Manu and possibly Minichiello who runs well above his weight.

Maybe Ashton gives you a bit more mobility and has a step ??

Sims is well over 17 stone which I think makes him heavier than most Hull FC props.

People suggest Westwood isn't mobile enough for the back row then we have suggestions that Sims should be a back rower, if Westwood isn't mobile enough I'm sure Sims isn't!!

Sims is light. However I'm not sure he would make a great backrower. I've said it on another thread, coming off the bench is IMO the best way to utilise his greater mobility than other props.

Sims superb tonight. All in all, a very good prop for me, and a dead set starter. When we're good it's built on our front row proving they are the best in the league-like they did tonight.

Bailey did another good shift, and is proving his worth too. Looking like a good addition to the squad.

Yeah Sims was brilliant, every time he caught the ball he changed directions and actually opened up a few gaps for us to take advantage of, not sure if that's a factor in how lazy Leeds were being defensively or not though.