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| Quote ="karetaker"Sorry I don’t see that improving on what we done this year. At the end we were found out up front. Don’t know enough about Russell but I don’t see him as an improvement on Nicholson we have no idea how long Fitzgibbon will last and I’m not convinced Hayes or Leyland are the answer.'"
No i cannot see that projected side making the improvement required either.
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| Quote ="Kevin Turvey"Anyone know what's happening with the forgotten man, Joe Bullock? Signed a 2 year extension then shipped out - all a bit weird.'"
That’s an Enigma. Could not get in the side gets an extension then shipped out. Tbh he didn’t light it up with his stint at Salford either. Going to have to be some preseason.
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| Quote ="Smiffy27"When you play or coach you tend not to criticise but encourage ... even the worst players.=#FF0000 I would not appreciate some of your comments if I was currently playing.
I liked Hayes BTW.
I trust Burgess & Sam over my opinion too. Burgess would have stopped the try but Tomkins ...no chance. 90% of half backs would not stop the tries. You have never tried to stop a big forward five yards out. But why do you slate individuals???'"
If you cannot take criticism, then your not going to make it in any walk of life.
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| Bullock couldn't get a spot ahead of Gil Dudson, that tells me everthing i need to know. I still just don't understand his re-signing, on form he's a great addition but that is VERY few and far between, plus his injury record isn't great.
Lewis Bienek would be a better option than Bullock and wouldn't cost alot, not saying he's the bulldozing answer we need, but he's a big powerful prop and puts effort in to every game i've seen. I think as a bench prop he'd be a really good option. But i think our forwards are set with Bullock for next year.
Dan russell could be a great signing for us and would give us 2 big powerful 2nd rowers. I know he's not played many NRL games but he's played consistantly for years in the queensland cup, and 10 caps for PNG he has plenty of experience.
Jai field has a total of 17 NRL appearances, Luke Yates a total of 25, Chris satae another example has a total of 15, So not having many NRL appearances doesn't mean you won't be any good here.
I hope it's just a case of finding the right fit for the right player
But yeah i don't really see a big improvement on what we have this year (which isn't bad by any means) But if we could have found a big powerful prop i think that would make a difference.
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| Quote ="Or thane"Bullock couldn't get a spot ahead of Gil Dudson, that tells me everthing i need to know. I still just don't understand his re-signing, on form he's a great addition but that is VERY few and far between, plus his injury record isn't great.
Lewis Bienek would be a better option than Bullock and wouldn't cost alot, not saying he's the bulldozing answer we need, but he's a big powerful prop and puts effort in to every game i've seen. I think as a bench prop he'd be a really good option. But i think our forwards are set with Bullock for next year.
Dan russell could be a great signing for us and would give us 2 big powerful 2nd rowers. I know he's not played many NRL games but he's played consistantly for years in the queensland cup, and 10 caps for PNG he has plenty of experience.
Jai field has a total of 17 NRL appearances, Luke Yates a total of 25, Chris satae another example has a total of 15, So not having many NRL appearances doesn't mean you won't be any good here.
I hope it's just a case of finding the right fit for the right player
But yeah i don't really see a big improvement on what we have this year (which isn't bad by any means) But if we could have found a big powerful prop i think that would make a difference.'"
Bienek would be a good signing.
Philbin looks like he is getting back to near his best.
Need Musgrove to start having real game changing impact.
Paul Vaughan - carry on as he is but let's start him. That experiment failed.
Yates - great signing.
Wood - Hoping he can push on as I like the look of him.
Bullock has had so many chances. He came on at Wembley and stunk the place out, not seen him since.
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| Player ratings for Wire players at Wembley were not great but can't remember Bullock being worse than others. "Stunk the place out" seems harsh. Not seen since Yates arrived & relatively few injuries in the forwards. Difficult to imagine him returning to Wire after his time with Salford but he's got a contract.
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| Rumours of a falling out between Burgess and Vaughan. Madame Boyd has tweeted it.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Rumours of a falling out between Burgess and Vaughan. Madame Boyd has tweeted it.'"
I’ve made no secret who I blame for losing the the GF this season.
I’m perfectly fine for Vaughan to leave. He’s made poor choices all season and at the last 2 months of last season too.
I’ve took flak all season for ousting him, I’m ok with taking a bucket load of it now too.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Rumours of a falling out between Burgess and Vaughan. Madame Boyd has tweeted it.'"
It does add up that something like this happened. Gaining Yates & Bateman meant that we were well off for numbers. Holroyd & Wood didn't get much game time later on in the season but a bit strange that he was moved on so quickly after getting a new contract.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Rumours of a falling out between Burgess and Vaughan. Madame Boyd has tweeted it.'"
Spotted something was wrong in his 1st game back and without facts ofc it was strange he did not start against HKR.
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| Some commented on him shaking his head at Burgess when he was subbed v Saints - I didn't see it. He likely got benched for that show of petulance and it's gone from there. Possible not happy with Musgrove being dropped either. Only one winner though and that's, rightfully, Burgess.
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"Some commented on him shaking his head at Burgess when he was subbed v Saints - I didn't see it. He likely got benched for that show of petulance and it's gone from there. Possible not happy with Musgrove being dropped either. Only one winner though and that's, rightfully, Burgess.'"
We were sat behind the dugout for the Saints match and he was visibly disappointed and was shaking his head when he got took off in the second half.
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| Wasn’t the reason SB left Souths because he disagreed with the head coach giving preferential treatment to a star player? This would certainly resonate with what’s happened with Vaughan and Musgrove.
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b) I have no idea what has happened just adding 2+2 in a WWWE wrestler mathematical manner and comining up with an answer (which is of course Tuesday).
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| Quote ="karetaker"https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/articles/c5y9k09knplo'"
That is not a rumour! D- must do better!
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| Wasn't Vaughan still banned for the Saints game.
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| Quote ="ninearches"Wasn't Vaughan still banned for the Saints game.'"
No, first game back. Musgrove and Yates started with Vaughan, Harrison and Philbin on the bench.
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| Is Daniel Okoro still with us. I know he spent a bit of time back at Bradford on loan but just wondering if he will be back in the squad next year.
Similar with Lucas Green. From memory he was at widnes on loan
Looking forward to seeing a bit more of Luke Thomas next year. Hopefully by the start of next year he will be fully recovered.
We have Wood and Whitehead. If we can find
2 or 3 diamonds in that group of 5 it would be fantastic.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"That is not a rumour! D- must do better!'"
But it is Recruitment so B+
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| Quote ="Smiffy27"Player ratings for Wire players at Wembley were not great but can't remember Bullock being worse than others. "Stunk the place out" seems harsh. Not seen since Yates arrived & relatively few injuries in the forwards. Difficult to imagine him returning to Wire after his time with Salford but he's got a contract.'"
2 knock ons in crucial areas of the field, one leading to a try. Penalty for a high shot. He was hooked off after that iirc. We discussed it at length on here.
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| I was looking at a couple of independent reviews of players performances and his were no worse than others. I think I can remember a few mistakes. If he "stunk the place out" he was not alone. Still think the term "stunk the place out" is harsh ... but it is a forum & we all have different views & standards.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"Wasn’t the reason SB left Souths because he disagreed with the head coach giving preferential treatment to a star player? This would certainly resonate with what’s happened with Vaughan and Musgrove.
2 further points on this
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b) I have no idea what has happened just adding 2+2 in a WWWE wrestler mathematical manner and comining up with an answer (which is of course Tuesday).'"
Yes, but tomorrow is Wednesday.
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