Similar problem outside SL 'we need investment to move forward, no problem, when I invest and we win the comp then we get promoted?........well err No.....well forget the investment'

It's a right mess isn't it.

Why would anyone pay £300k for Bateman when he could well be a free agent next month?

And what would be wrong with that?Don't forget that the Championship is an exciting and vibrant competition,worth winning in it's own right.The new Bulls ought to relish participating in it.

Or we could encourage the new owner by saying that the club will be in SL.
Just like happened with Leighton Samuels.

Nobody VOTED. The RFL board (who ultimately make the decision on whether Bradford stay or not) have spoken to the other clubs about it and received comments both in favour of Bradford (whether it be out of administration or NewCo) being in SL and against.

Unless the RFL state to these investors that the Bulls will be in SL until their license runs out then they WILL NOT invest!

Simples.

If the RFL give this guarantee then they will (in my opinion) have belittled their franchise system and brought emmbarassment on the game (again).

if they choose to put Bradford in the Championship then our competition (being a Fax fan) my well be seen as a better place to invest money than it is now, and this could help the game as a whole below SL.

remember though this is only my opinion (so as to not anger the rather touchy Roofaldo and his Bulls cronies)

There is a parrallel here with Rangers FC and due to their standing within the game and thier support base etc, the new consortium were happy to take on the business and work their way back into the top flight.
The only difference here is that in RL there is no automatic path into SL.

When you haven't flown off on a paranoid rant, you can make decent posts!

Semantics. I would be interested to know who were in favour and who weren't then.

That better?

Oh well done on the new price this year that equates to 5194 fans through the door still way short of the current thinking of 10,000 to break even.
But at least it has gone from a very,very,very,very bad idea to just a very,very,very bad idea.
I'm pretty sure that most clubs could easily hit 10k passes if they charge £1 per pass.
I guess you think that is a good idea as well.

So you admit now that you spent more than you should have on players wages then?
Like I said if that is the case stop bleating about how out of order the previous board is as you have enjoyed watching a quality of RL that you couldn't afford.


Really I just was just dreaming that you have a deadline of later this month for liquidation then was I?
If you want to believe that selling your assets won't at least extend that deadline then feel free but those of us who are not blinded by our red,amber and black specs can see that selling them will infact do exactly that.

Where have I said otherwise?

Which players were the ones they couldn't afford? How could they overspend on players with the cap in place? How would the fans have known even if this were true (and there is zero hard evidence)?

Sorry, but this is a totally unreasonable statement.

The key word being 'stay'.

Err, no, that would be immensely foolish. My point was that Bradford took a gamble to try and reverse their falling crowds. It worked. Was it financially sensible? Possibly not. However, I notice that you STILL are basing all your math on only selling ground entry tickets and ignoring the more expensive seating tickets


You say, couldn't afford, but it's only NOW become a problem. There's been no reports of players not being paid before this current crisis. So in terms of having the money to pay the players then no, Bradford haven't over spent. However that money was finite and if the previous board had budgeted better the club might not have been in this position.



Yes, there's a deadline for liquidation. But there's prospective buyers on the horizon as well as enough money in the club to cover current funding requirements. So there is currently not a need to sell off our players. Should the potential buyers drop out then this situation may change.


You haven't. That was in response to someone else.

You're really not that stupid that you don't understand basic economics are you?



in your own words

As a group its pretty easy to say 'we will only spend X' and budget your squad to that level.
If they spent far more than their income levels then its pretty obvious how they overspent.
Anyway haven't you been one of the folks banging on about the 50-50 cap limit?

Bradford fans enjoyed a far better squad that they could afford otherwise they wouldn't be in this mess.
So they are now only paying for it after the event.

Thats a fairly simplistic outlook, isnt it possible, if not probable, that had Bradford built a vastly inferior but vastly cheaper squad, then the attendances and associated revenue streams would be lower.

We dont know whether or not the additional spending players meant they brought in more money and covered that additional spending.

Theres a pretty strong possibility that Bradford could have brought in an extra £1m revenue by spending an extra £750k in wages. Certainly when you factor in cup games and playoffs etc.

Bradford were mismanaged, this much we know. What we dont know is if that can be put down to overspending on players.

Yes it would be foolish as it would be creating a false market for season passes, Much as you did when you sold them dirt cheap when you could ill afford it.So you think it was a good idea to pretty much give away season passes even though it would kill you financially?, Oh wait no you don't as it would be foolish as you stated above so I think you need to have another think about the whole season pass issue. There is no possibly about it as your financial issues prove. No I am basing my math on the fact that the levels you set your passes at where not in anyway a good idea as they have now blown up in you faces.
Its called cause and effect for a reason. Yes they have or they wouldn't be in this mess. So they did over spend then?
Make your mind up.

Until the 27th when you go under of course.
If the worst does come to worst (I actually hope it doesn't believe it or not) then you may actually think 'damn that was another mistake there' by which point it will be to late and all those players you were desperate to keep will walk away for nothing, Hardly the smartest plan. By which point it will probably be too late and other clubs will wait for you go and pick em up for free.
Fair enough.

I disagree.
When facing the now apparent black hole that Bradford were then the first thing I would have looked at was my outgoings, The playing staff would be pretty high up on that list.
Let us not forget that Bradford were selling for basement prices on the whole so I doubt there would have been much of a difference in sales.

So you also believe in the concept of sports clubs gambling money they dont have to attempt to break even in the future?

No.

Your above post tells us otherwise

The thing is, you're basing a lot of your argument on player spend. Upkeep for Odsal is one of the main drains on Bradford's finances. I believe either earlier this year or it might have been last year that one of the toilets broke and there was a really large cost involved in fixing it.

No it doesnt.

So you are suggesting Bradford are unsustainable as a pro RL club at Odsal?

If they are unable to operate in SL at Odsal, it is highly unlikely they would last long in the Championship on 2,000-3,000 attendances

In the long term? Yes. Odsal is not a sustainable ground. Which is why there's been tons of attempts to get it redeveloped over the years. This is hardly some massive revelation. I know you want it to be because you'll be able to fit it into some other RFL conspiracy fantasy, but it's an old ground that needs work. Anyone who's been there can tell you that.