But im sure you'll agree 'some' hope is better than NO hope?Lets be honest if Rugby League died that death would be hastened if the same structure remained in place.Example Sheffield have been form team 2 years on trot but winning is surely a pyrhic victory in this present form in effect you win but winner bugger all in the championship.So at the present rate it was gonna fold,the reason i mention hope and yes hope is psychologicaly and otherwise a positive aspect of any top league coaches mantra believe me.Case in point forgot which club in championship had a very good sponsorship pakage in place but lost it because of the faffin round early on in voting for this.Sponsors wouldnt give a moments glance to clubs STUCK in a meaningless process but would given that their is HOPE

Hang on a minute what super clubs are losing by 112 points?Im sure any side that fought through the middle 8 playy off has earned their place in SL on merit,ok they gonna get tonked but 112?.

But the new structure only makes promotion a dream (not a reality)
Some of the top CC clubs will increase their spending on players, in the hope of gaining promotion.
Bearing in mind there will be 2 SL clubs relegated at the end of the coming season who, as many have already said, will be favourites for promotion. This leaves 4 or 5 current CC clubs dramatically increasing their spending to "chase the dream" and they may all fail in their quest for glory.
What will this do for their financial state ?
Also, what happens to the lower end CC clubs who, haven't any realistic prospect of promotion.

nonsense

Swindon lost 112-0 to wire. No super clubs will, championship clubs with no money, no fans, small stadiums might

Aaaah you see they are hoping we forget that the increase in championship funding and the restructure casts adrift everyone else. It's a whole game solution you see, as long as the whole game is the top SL clubs and a few championship clubs.

If not all the championship clubs have a chance of promotion what a waste of time it will all be, they might has well just have 1 up and 1 down then at least if they are good enough they will go up

posting.php?mode=quote&f=2&p=17684330&tsmp=1390331111#Swinton LOST 112 -0 when they were dropping into the abyss of losing thier heritage, a ground steeped in history they were moving to a desert of non RL area how can you use that to validate your point ridiculous.Like i said a championship challenging seasoned SL clubs albiet bottom 4 will if they get through them earn their place on MERIT and will NOT be SWINTON'D 112 points.

Have HulKR been decimated 112-0 since they come up from oblivion?Have Huddersfield been anhialated 112-0 since they come up from the pot of despair?.Dr.Koukash wanted to steer Oldham into the elite,but theyll have to do it on their own steam why do Oldham not deserve and rightfully so the opportunity to fight for a place in a club they founded?Smokey your too superleague-o-centric everythin else cann just wither n die

Good point,but surely the revenue created by significant crowd increase will offset that loss of the extra cost of players?.Ok lets move that point on some clubs WONT be ready for SL so I imagine (I also penned a draught plan for the 3 groups of 8 2 years ago and in the case of say Barrow not meeting ground requirements)either the clubs would play off for the spot given that they meet requirements.But im certain their will be dispensation for smaller clubs given their handicap.I do think youll find that the bottom 4 and top 4 of the champ'will be a more or less consistent standard of Rl given that the top 4 will markedly UP thier game on and off the field.

I agree that the gap between the top 4 (or 6 if you include the relegated SL clubs) and the bottom 4 in SL wont be as wide as it has been.
However, the point remains that the CC is going to be more out of balance than ever, as the glory seekers will up their spending significantly but, the lower club are unlikely to take the same level of "risk".
The new system brings in a perpetual relegation scrap for the bottom 4/5 SL clubs which will have a negative influence on their ability to prosper and IMO we will, within 3/4 years be having a further change to the structure, which will probably be an 8 or 10 team SL with no promotion or relegation, unless the fans and the players have got it all wrong and that we actually are embarking on a new golden era for the sport.
It's all a question of whether you have faith in the group of short term, quick fix cronies at Red Hall.

I'm more convinced than ever that some people are just born with a passion for moaning.

There is literally nothing that can be said or done to make some people happy, you will find them in places of work, in your friendship groups but most of all on the internet.

If they went a day without a good old whine, they would not speak at all.

but youve answered it yourself albeit obtusely, it rids the SL of the problem queson of reducing the league bigger than it would have been by just cutting off the 'stale' end and letting the good ship 'top8' sail off into the sunset minus the death throes of what its left for ever.instead of a runaway train we have a much tighter SL and all but in name a second fiddle SL.The scrap in the middle will be eventually a lot better than the championship and a dog scrap for the bottom 4 so in time this 'BELT' of about 10 clubs that will almost certainly scrap each other year in year out will compete in the CC NEVERMIND smokey AND HIS 112-0 DOOM MONGERING nonsense.

Francis Cummings is 'bricking it'......Bless !

You have pretty much agreed with what I have said and them decided that it won't happen again. Even though it very well might

It's nothing to do with being SL centric. In fact it's quite the opposite my club does very well out of this change. And yes, the Hull jet side, reliant on gifts from a generous benefactor, the club which massively over spends every year had 84 points put on them last year by Wigan at home. Ask the hull kr fans why that was, their chairman has been pretty vocal about it

I notice there has been a swing overnight in the voting. What happened there? Maybe a few went and actually read the RFL document and now understand it?

chairmen influence?

Do we know why Catalan abstained from the vote

They didnt understand it

It seems they weren't alone reading 70% of the comments on this board

I think it's less of a swing, but very similar to another poll on another site some months ago, when this was proposed.

Again on that thread the nay sayers came in hard and early. But as a few days past, those who wanted to wait and see more detail, after a bit of thought came forward and the 8x8x8 system caught up and in the end took the lead.

Change is difficult for most people. Better the devil you know etc.

So it's quicker and easier to vote no as you just stick to your guns.
Those who are not sure will hold back until they have actually took the information on board.

Does the new money sway anyone else from their original opinion that this can't work???

Doesn't make much difference IMO, the bottom SL clubs will still lose money compared to current fixtures, the championship clubs still won't have the money to be ft and competitive with the bottom clubs and if someone does get promoted they still won't have enough time to build a decent squad.

So IMO not really.

You can make anything work within its limitations... The new sponsorship actually makes it worse in my opinion... The fewer top clubs are becoming less focused on self sufficiency and more greedy for a bigger share of the central fund...

I am a fan of a club that voted for this and I am in violent dissagreemnt with that decision. It is a decision which will ultimately be to the detriment if not downfall, of the sport as a viable professional entity, and does nothing for grass roots development.

This decision is about cutting away those who are perceived to be weak, without a viable approach to developing new and stronger replacements...

Back to the hegemony thread, this is hegemony at its insidious worst.