Paul Cooke is not a fantastic player, he is one that on his day strays in to being a good player, but that is far away from a fantastic player.

He has failings in his game (he is probably the worst running S-O in SL), he should be embarrassed about his fitness and an awful attitude,

a fantastic player would be at the top of his game for 5-6 years minimum, not the 6months that Paul Cooke has managed in his career

There's nothing wrong with his fitness atm, he has got himself into shape, he now lives in Huddersfield with his girlfriend. So he's away from Hull where he was going out getting hammered, this is no longer the case.

so hes moved to huddersfield who are looking for a stand off due to the colapse of the carney deal? very interesting!

He's been living in Hudds for a few months now, don't go twisting things. Oh and how is Crockers VISA coming along?

a few months? how does he get to training? isn't he banned from driving?

i saw him yesterday and he said its all sorted.

He could always get the train down here.

Tell him I said hi.

your right he could.

he'll be closer to you soon enough.

You saw him in Melbourne. sheldon?

Thats your opinion for what it's worth, which is no more or less valid than mine. I actually think Cooke is one of the most natural footballers in the game and a fantastic player when he wants to be, that is my opinion. The fact that he can't be bothered to reach his true potential is not relevent However as I clearly stated his attitude stinks, which is why he has all the failings you mention and is not the player he should or could be.

Finally to rectify your massive contradiction - with the attitude Cooke has then clearly he must be a very talented if he can stray into being a good player - even occasionally. There are players in RL who have the perfect attitude and fitness levels who never even manage to be be as good as Cooke is on his good days.

I hope you manage to get my point without this ending up in one of your tedious quotathons - I really don't have enough heartbeats left for that.

thats complete rubbish, you do know that dont you? you are aware that what you have written here is idiotic?



If my Auntie had balls she would be my uncle.

There are players who dont come close to having the natural abilty of Paul Cooke who go on to be much better players than Paul Cooke simply because they are fitter and have a better attitude.

Could Paul Cooke have been a fantastic player maybe, not in my opinion but maybe, i still think he naturally very slow, and in this day and age an intelligent defence can nullify his threat safe in the knowledge he is never going to be able to run at them or take them on, however fit he is

is he a fantastic player? no, he isnt close, imo he doesnt have the natural attributes for it, doesnt have the heart for it, isnt professional enough, probably isnt intelligent enough, and hasnt built on his game from the last decent run of form he had which was nigh on 3 years ago now. Had it not been for his controversys he would barely merit a mention



i put an extra quote in there, just in case you were having a stopped clock moment

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Yeah, it is rather long for somebody from Wakefield to read, its probably got some long words as well,

Ah well, worth a try, nothing ventured and all that

Good point well made Barbara, let's move on whilst I'm still young

Lets have less of this Wakefield/Leeds fans bickering, eh?

The comment was intended to highlight the fact that Hull KR probably overachieved last season. It wasn't meant to be taken literally. But I am happy to agree that it may have been [islightly[/i off the mark if it will keep you from hyperventilating any further.

In reality there are probably 9 from 25 or so that have played at least a reasonable part in teams that have had a better season than Hull KR did last. That does not, however, detract from the point that Hull will likely improve past Hull KR this season other things being equal.

Happy?

That's in [iyour[/i opinion, Wellsy. It's no more valid than mine. Did Crossman, as an individual, have a better season as a fringe player at Melbourne than as a regular with Hull KR? Did Gene, as a fringe player at Bradford? What about Menzies and Gommersall who make your list but played the only SL games of their career last season. It's arguable that David Mills has [iever[/i had a good season at this level.

In addition, the fact that a player played in a better [iteam[/i does not necessarily imply that they as an individual had a better season. Did Craig Bellamy have a better season as a non-key player in a strong Liverpool team in 2006/7 or as a key player in a fairly average West Ham team in 2008/9?

You are over simpifying. It may be true for Vella and Cooke (and possibly for Newton and Galea) but many of Rovers key players last season were not key players at their previous clubs. Don't be so certain that your opinion is the right opinion.



Is that an order or just a recommendation? I personally don't have the time or the inclination to research in detail every single point I make for fear of criticism from the likes of you or anyone else. I honestly couldn't give a monkey's. I am a little surprised that you think I might...

Just to clarify, the [ipoint[/i I was trying to make was that Hull KR probably overachieved last season. That is my opinion. I have agreed that the comment that followed was probably [islightly[/i over the top but it wasn't intended to be taken quite so literally.

I actually feel bad that I might have ruined GJB's evening. Not so with Zod since he will more than likely have been sedated by 8pm.



Well that is very generous of you, Wellsy. I am happy [ithat[/i comment received your blessing.

P.S. I really don't want to fall out with a fellow Hull FC fan so please PM if you want to discuss further.

I don't know if your talking from personal experiance regards message board comments ruining your evening, but I'd imagine most of take the ramblings on these boards with pinch of salt, me included!

What the hell are you talking about.

Given the talent and experience in our squad I don't think we over achieved (other than we did very well with alot of key players missing for chunks of the season). The proof will be in the pudding this year with basically the same squad.

Not so with Zod since he will more than likely have been sedated by 8pm.

Serious question.

Had Rovers lost the last derby at Craven Park on the final day of the season I believe they would have dropped to a 10th place finish (3rd bottom). I assume this would not then be classed as a successful season?

Did one result make that much difference in the end?

yep in oh so many ways! Lofty league position (relatively speaking) and a derby win, apart from being for a cup it was sweet!

Are you trying to tell people that your opinion is worth more than others?

No, I’m saying all opinions aren’t equal, Whatever value you want to give mine, yours or anyone else’s is really up to you, and frankly not particularly of interest to me. What I was drawing attention to was a repeated mistake vastpants makes, which is to confuse the right to express an opinion being universally the same and the validity of said opinion being the same, which is clearly nonsense

Which is why I said arguably.


I aren't certain that my opinion is the right one, which is why I said arguably.
But going on what your opinion is of a better season (being a key player rather than a bit part player) that rules out most of the players that I have said did have a better season. The youngsters have probably had better seasons in worse teams. Some have played very little rugby this year and so definitely wouldn't be classed as key players. You can't have it both ways.
I would say (IMO and apparently the opinion of others) that because these players have achieved more in their careers than last year, they have had better years in their careers. I think you've been extremely biased in your assessment of some players (Gene especially, who played 21 games in the SL for Bradford in his stint there AND in the WCC scoring a try so I wouldn't call him a bit-part player in the slightest).


Who am I to make orders? If you don't want to be criticised, get your facts right. Seems like good advice.


If your trying to make a point though, things are going to be taken literally (especially if it's to degrade someone/something). If you have to exaggerate a point to make it, the point gets lost.
Rovers finished 7th, which to me isn't really much of an achievement. They were well off the play-offs points-wise and 2 points off 10th. They certainly had a better season than previous. Where they better than Huddersfield, Wakefield and Harlequins? Well they didn't beat any of them three teams in the league so you may have a point!




I am a little suprised you think he gives a monkeys, especially since you were suprised that you thought I thought you gave a monkeys?


I just agreed with you and you've still got a problem with it!


It's only a discussion board, mate. Nobody's falling out with anyone, don't worry about it.
Basically, I highlighted a point that I (and definitely Rovers fans) thought was wrong. You have yourself even agreed that you was over-the-top with it. I don't think there is a problem here anymore really.