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What an embarrassing state of affairs for Rugby League in this country.
A flagship club of the S.L era has crashed & burned twice in a couple of years, and whilst their demise could be traced back long before the recent shenanigans, the ruling body must take as much blame as the various owners.
The initial “secret” loan was a catalyst to this whole debacle, it wasn’t just a couple of hundred grand to tide them over. It should never have been agreed by the RFL therefore they are as culpable as the procession of pseudo saviours that followed.
But looking at the current squad at Bradford I don’t understand why the newco is using the points deduction as a death sentence, the club is only four points behind, not twenty FFS!
That team are quite capable of finishing above London & Wakefield, unfortunately for Bradford they can’t afford the said team.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"And how would you define "cutting their cloth"?
Would it involve losing players so that they now have the smallest squad in the league?
Or perhaps cutting back on the number of staff?
Both of those things HAVE been done by Bradford, I fail to see where else those scissors can be applied.'"
If you've got to play kids to survive financially, that's what you do. If you can't afford the team you have, therein lies the problem. London have done it. Wakefield have done it.
What you mean is how can we make further cutbacks without harming the team we put out on the park. Unfortunately, that's what every other club has to do. |
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"If you've got to play kids to survive financially, that's what you do. If you can't afford the team you have, therein lies the problem. London have done it. Wakefield have done it.
What you mean is how can we make further cutbacks without harming the team we put out on the park. Unfortunately, that's what every other club has to do.'"
Spot on.
Unfortunately, when dealing with the Bradford Bulls apologetics, it's a very long river in Egypt! |
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| Quote ="gutterfax"This is the real world. Companies go bust and people don't get paid. If players want to play, be seen in the shop window and have a chance of being picked up next season, they will take the cut...if they don't, then they can find a job elsewhere. Bradford do not have the money to pay them.
A Small inconvenience to create symmetry and rescue the season. Castleford can whine, Wakefield can cheer....nothing changes in real terms!
The Adjustment would have to be agreed by the remaining SL chairmen. No doubt, Knock down Nigel will find another 100k to sweeten the deal (Bradfords much debated TV cash)
I'd suggest that SKY will probably want something in return for losing the rights to broadcast 7 games over 2 days at Magic....maybe the rights to broadcast a 9's comp? The loss of a round won't bother them.....the RFL will juggle some fixtures and the lost weekend will get it's 2 games.
Part time staff. There may well be some who are willing to volunteer to help out....seems to have been well received across the way at Wakefield. If these "FANS" want their club, then it's time to roll up their sleeves and stop bitching about conspiracy theories and injustices.
I've suggested a way Bradford could survive this year....you can carry in whining if you want!'" all nonsense that I'm pretty confident even you don't believe. |
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"The rfl deserve praise for acting with the utmost integrity and professionalism.
Too long, have the bulls shirked their financial responsbilities.
Too long, have they spent beyond their means on the field whilst other clubs have cut their cloth.
Too long.
It would have been easy for the RFL to bottle it on the ''iconic status'' get out clause. But they retained the integrity of the competition.
Bravo!'"
Integrity!!?? Have you seen the headlines?? There is no integrity! ANY club going bust from Bradford, Wakefield, To Gateshead, and Blackpool harms the sport.
The people that have run the club for the last few years are to blame for the mess. absolutely shocking inept management. But the RFL have some questions to answer. Like if we asked for an advance of £500k then why did they ratify the ownership. |
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Spot on.
Unfortunately, when dealing with the Bradford Bulls apologetics, it's a very long river in Egypt!'" It's amazing isn't it.
We are being told that Bradford shouldn't have to do what we were told HKR should have done on their first SL season. (Play the kids, Use Championship players etc.) |
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Integrity!!?? Have you seen the headlines?? There is no integrity! ANY club going bust from Bradford, Wakefield, To Gateshead, and Blackpool harms the sport.
The people that have run the club for the last few years are to blame for the mess. absolutely shocking inept management. But the RFL have some questions to answer. Like if we asked for an advance of £500k then why did they ratify the ownership.'"
The administrator ratified the takeover, not the RFL. |
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"The administrator ratified the takeover, not the RFL.'"
The RFL did aswell |
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"The administrator ratified the takeover, not the RFL.'"
Moore and co have never had the pleasure of an rfl fit and proper persons test. I wonder if this had got further how they would of fared...
What damages the sport is the unnecessary sniping after people dont get their way. Lenaghan, now Moore, what are the rfl going to do? Ignore the majority and the rules?
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Hopefully the Administrator will make player redundancies / cut player salaries to no more than £30k so that Mr Lamb gets a sustainable business when he buys the Club for whatever the Administrator's fees are (£30k?)
Then hopefully Mr Lamb will restore the Bradford Northern name.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"If you've got to play kids to survive financially, that's what you do. If you can't afford the team you have, therein lies the problem. London have done it. Wakefield have done it.
What you mean is how can we make further cutbacks without harming the team we put out on the park. Unfortunately, that's what every other club has to do.'"
Genuine question, if wakefield had half their sky money paid to the other clubs, do you think even with MC they wouldn't also be in admin?
I'm not blaming the RFL, like I've said previous manegment have mismanaged the club disgustingly.
But I still feel the decision to cut half the funding was an awful decision and it handicapped the club. Cuts were being made, but then the argument of the sale of the club arose and everything's has being horribly managed. |
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"We've been calling for years for the rfl to have a backbone. Over the last couple of months that's precisely what we've got.'"
I (begrudgingly) agree.
The statement from the RFL pulls no punches.
Quote “In the last six months two other clubs have had to restructure their businesses, introduce new investment from owners and release players to avoid administration. For Bradford to effectively drop off debt as a result of the administration without a points deduction would have significantly impaired the integrity of the competition.'"
No doubt, once they grow a set and reappear on here, Adeybull et al will try to shoot holes in the above FACTUAL statement, ignoring the constant stream of assistance their club has received over the last few years. |
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Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Moore and co have never had the pleasure of an rfl fit and proper persons test. I wonder if this had got further how they would of fared...
What damages the sport is the unnecessary sniping after people dont get their way. Lenaghan, now Moore, what are the rfl going to do? Ignore the majority and the rules?
We've been calling for years for the rfl to have a backbone. Over the last couple of months that's precisely what we've got.'"
The RFL did do a fit and proper persons test, they did numerous, ryan whitcut failed back in November, Richard lamb already had one despite never purchasing the club.
A bit more info on the players which confirms they work for the newco, so I can't see how they can play at the weekend for the oldco
"Most pertinently, Hunter-Paul highlights the risk any prospective new owner would run of losing further players from a squad already light in numbers and facing a potential points deduction for breaking insolvency rules.
They saw Craig Kopczak walk out on his contract in 2012 when they were taken over by new owners after their last spell in administration and Garreth Carvell has done so this time around, to join Hull FC.
A player is legally within his rights to do so – under the Transfer of Undertakings Protection of Employment Regulation (TUPE) – if he gives notice on the day of the change of ownership.
But any prospective buyer would be purchasing OK Bulls Ltd – not Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd – from the administrator, so opening up another chance for other players to follow Carvell’s lead in that 24-hour slot.
Hunter-Paul, who won every honour in the game during his 12 years as a player at Bradford, admitted: “They would have to go through the TUPE process once again and that’s the risk another business will take on if it came in and acquired the club."
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What damages the sport is the unnecessary sniping after people dont get their way. Lenaghan, now Moore, what are the rfl going to do? Ignore the majority and the rules?
We've been calling for years for the rfl to have a backbone. Over the last couple of months that's precisely what we've got.'"
The RFL did do a fit and proper persons test, they did numerous, ryan whitcut failed back in November, Richard lamb already had one despite never purchasing the club.
A bit more info on the players which confirms they work for the newco, so I can't see how they can play at the weekend for the oldco
"Most pertinently, Hunter-Paul highlights the risk any prospective new owner would run of losing further players from a squad already light in numbers and facing a potential points deduction for breaking insolvency rules.
They saw Craig Kopczak walk out on his contract in 2012 when they were taken over by new owners after their last spell in administration and Garreth Carvell has done so this time around, to join Hull FC.
A player is legally within his rights to do so – under the Transfer of Undertakings Protection of Employment Regulation (TUPE) – if he gives notice on the day of the change of ownership.
But any prospective buyer would be purchasing OK Bulls Ltd – not Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd – from the administrator, so opening up another chance for other players to follow Carvell’s lead in that 24-hour slot.
Hunter-Paul, who won every honour in the game during his 12 years as a player at Bradford, admitted: “They would have to go through the TUPE process once again and that’s the risk another business will take on if it came in and acquired the club."
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They did it originally when whitcut failed his. |
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"The RFL did aswell'"
No, the consortium had their takeover accepted by the administrator & awaited ratification from the RFL. |
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"They did it originally when whitcut failed his.'"
But if ratification was already done why would they only be "confident" 4 days ago?
This deal obviously hadn't run it's full course - so the rfl hadn't agreed to it yet, else the bb2014 would if had the sl licence and there would be no issues with who owns what currently (as adeybull pointed out in your board) - just that the new co didn't have an owner.
As it happens (to the best of my knowledge) the assets of ok bulls had been passed over, but the rfl status hadn't before this happened (I'd imagine acceptance of the punishment was one of the reasons why ratification wasn't completed) so that is still with ok bulls (and still in admin) making this whole mess messier, and now spread across 2 company's instead of 1 |
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Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"No, the consortium had their takeover accepted by the administrator & awaited ratification from the RFL.'"
They were directors twice, they even resigned as a director and came back.
You needed to pass the fpp test to have your bid considered by the administrator
“There has also been a lot of questions asked regarding the administration process and the potential of new buyers coming in and purchasing the Bradford Bulls. As is currently understood, the administrator David Wilson directed all interested parties towards the governing body to first pass a fit and proper persons test. Adding to this, Mr Wilson has also confirmed that he would only speak to those parties that could show proof of funds as part of the process of making a formal offer. As yet, the administrator has not had any offer from any interested party other than the current board."
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They were directors twice, they even resigned as a director and came back.
You needed to pass the fpp test to have your bid considered by the administrator
“There has also been a lot of questions asked regarding the administration process and the potential of new buyers coming in and purchasing the Bradford Bulls. As is currently understood, the administrator David Wilson directed all interested parties towards the governing body to first pass a fit and proper persons test. Adding to this, Mr Wilson has also confirmed that he would only speak to those parties that could show proof of funds as part of the process of making a formal offer. As yet, the administrator has not had any offer from any interested party other than the current board."
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Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Moore and co have never had the pleasure of an rfl fit and proper persons test. I wonder if this had got further how they would of fared...'"
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One assumes they didn't start with Whitcu*t and then just stop. Or that the administrator would refuse to speak to Lamb before he had passed the test but any such need would be ignored for Moore, etc.'"
They may of passed individually as directors, but the consortium (and thus the group together) hasn't been ratified - it may well of been a formality - but never officially done (and I've thus far not seen anything to suggest otherwise) - this is why there were "confident of ratification" not ratified as far as I've seen. |
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Quote ="SmokeyTA"They were directors twice, they even resigned as a director and came back.
You needed to pass the fpp test to have your bid considered by the administrator
“There has also been a lot of questions asked regarding the administration process and the potential of new buyers coming in and purchasing the Bradford Bulls. As is currently understood, the administrator David Wilson directed all interested parties towards the governing body to first pass a fit and proper persons test. Adding to this, Mr Wilson has also confirmed that he would only speak to those parties that could show proof of funds as part of the process of making a formal offer. As yet, the administrator has not had any offer from any interested party other than the current board."
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You needed to pass the fpp test to have your bid considered by the administrator
“There has also been a lot of questions asked regarding the administration process and the potential of new buyers coming in and purchasing the Bradford Bulls. As is currently understood, the administrator David Wilson directed all interested parties towards the governing body to first pass a fit and proper persons test. Adding to this, Mr Wilson has also confirmed that he would only speak to those parties that could show proof of funds as part of the process of making a formal offer. As yet, the administrator has not had any offer from any interested party other than the current board."
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"They may of passed individually as directors, but the consortium (and thus the group together) hasn't been ratified - it may well of been a formality - but never officially done (and I've thus far not seen anything to suggest otherwise) - this is why there were "confident of ratification" not ratified as far as I've seen.'"
The ratification of the transfer of the share was delayed by 28 days while the administrator looked for other buyers. That's why they were wating on ratification. The fpp test was done before the bid was considered.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"Maybe they did pass the RFL “Fit & Proper” persons test, but the “Proof of Funds” bit is from the administrator, not the RFL.'"
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"The ratification of the transfer of the share was delayed by 28 days while the administrator looked for other buyers. That's why they were wating on ratification. The fpp test was done before the bid was considered.
Also the test is a fit and proper persons test, whatever the formation of it the consortium is still made up of the same people'"
As I said, formality.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"But the RFL have some questions to answer. Like if we asked for an advance of £500k then why did they ratify the ownership.'"
This is why! Cool, that's that one solved, they didn't |
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