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Does there? Maybe you're looking for sensible rationale where there is none?
Remember we're talking about the RFL here.
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True enough, Bullseye!
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Does there? Maybe you're looking for sensible rationale where there is none?
Remember we're talking about the RFL here.'"
I just thought it was about RFL self-interest. Grassroots & youth development pathways are one of the criteria that Sport England check. (Along with governance.....)
So allowing 1 of the top 8 graded academies in the game to disappear may knock a few £££ off the next funding go-around for the RFL. |
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| Quote ="Bets'y Bulls"I aren't sure why people are getting upset, out of contract players move on from big clubs, it happens, not just to us'"
Its probably because its the first time in many years that Bradford will be viewed as a feeder team to SL clubs. Obviously that is how the RFL views all teams at this level but when that feeling actually sinks in it can be a bit disheartening. You do get used to it eventually and learn to know your role. |
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| Quote ="Bulliac"An alternative would be to stop chasing the 'big name' juniors; ie. the ones who are on the St Helens, leeds, Wigan etc watch list. We always make a big thing about taking juniors who were being 'courted' by the big clubs but these are [iexactly[/i the ones who are most likely to depart when they hit open age. We'd be better off lowering our sights on these recruits and taking the ones who are not being chased by the SL clubs. There are plenty about and the chances are we'll still get some very decent players who will want to play for us.'"
You say there are plenty of young players about but this is not strictly true. The SL clubs(Bradford used to be included in this) literally sign up just about any member of the better clubs in the hope that they make it, can you then afford the resources to try and look for some rough diamonds? Your best bet will probably to do similar to Halifax and pick up SL clubs cast offs in the hope that you can pick up the odd decent one who can then progress to a decent championship(or SL with someone else) level. Not including Nick Rawsthorne who got snapped up by Hull as soon as he started to show any sort of talent, Fax have had 7 players who have played first team this season that got recruited in this way. 5 of those are first team regulars and 2 of those will probably end up back in SL if not next season then likely the season after. |
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Ryan signed for Leigh on a 2 year deal according to League Weekly.
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Painful to read but wish him well.
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Ryan & Bentley are both at a point where they need to be stepping up, not stepping down. If we were staying in the Championship, there may have been an argument for another season with us to continue to get tough against big blokes but without the pressures of Super League. But going down a level to League 1 is only going to be a backwards step in an otherwise high potential career. One they can't afford to be taking. If I were Ross Oakes, I think I'd be looking at doing the same if anyone is interested.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"Ryan & Bentley are both at a point where they need to be stepping up, not stepping down. If we were staying in the Championship, there may have been an argument for another season with us to continue to get tough against big blokes but without the pressures of Super League. But going down a level to League 1 is only going to be a backwards step in an otherwise high potential career. One they can't afford to be taking. If I were Ross Oakes, I think I'd be looking at doing the same if anyone is interested.'"
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Karl Harrison claiming that Saints will loan us back James Bentey next season. Fantastic news if true.
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Indeed. If true. Does anyone actually believe anything anymore?
What's the connection between Harrison and Bentley?
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| Quote ="debaser"Indeed. If true. Does anyone actually believe anything anymore?
What's the connection between Harrison and Bentley?'"
Isn't he his agent? |
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| Quote ="Nothus"Isn't he his agent?'"
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He is.
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| Doesn't make much sense to me, from Bentley's progression point of view. Not unless we're staying in this league and not dropping down into the pit of doom  |
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| Quote ="dddooommm"Karl Harrison claiming that Saints will loan us back James Bentey next season. Fantastic news if true.'"
But why? We don't have any players signed (apart from one), no coach, no money and no ideas
What do we have for sure? Just a hatful of promises from our ever silent overlord and a whole boatload of conspiracy theories.
Why would he be promised back to play for a team in the third tier?
And then why would he rejoin this shambles? Does he like the ever present visits to coffee shops and chicken restaurants with players who can't be @rsed THAT much? What is he going to learn from Toovey (if he is still here) that he hasn't learned already (because statically we were doing better when the kit man was in charge)?
I'm not saying it's not true, I just can't see what he is going to get out of it as opposed to being a young player in a professional, high performing sports club like Saint Helens. |
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This isn't trolling but how many young players have Bradford done exactly the same thing to and taken them from other clubs in the past.
What goes round comes round I'm affraid.
That's how our sport works. I'm pretty sure Ethanol Ryan was a product of the Keighley scholarship when he started.
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| Quote ="Mr Hicks"This isn't trolling but how many young players have Bradford done exactly the same thing to and taken them from other clubs in the past.
What goes round comes round I'm affraid.
That's how our sport works. I'm pretty sure Ethanol Ryan was a product of the Keighley scholarship when he started.'"
You're right but I'd say on balance we've contributed more than we've taken by now.
You could say Keighley plucked Ryan from Bradford since he was at Queensbury and West Bowling before he went on scholarship there
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St Helens Academy - rated outstanding
Huddersfield Academy - rated outstanding
Bradford Bulls Academy - rated 'requires improvement'
So why the hell are these clubs not producing their own talented youngsters if their academies are so good?
Salford continue to be the only SL team with no academy (I believe Leigh will start theirs up again next season if they stay in SL). I really hope they get shafted by this if franchising ever returns.
We remain the only club outside of SL to run our own academy setup. Technically KR have one but it's run jointly with FC.
Edit: Halifax have an academy don't they? How come they didn't get a rating?
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| Quote ="Nothus"St Helens Academy - rated outstanding
Huddersfield Academy - rated outstanding
Bradford Bulls Academy - rated 'requires improvement'
So why the hell are these clubs not producing their own talented youngsters if their academies are so good?
Salford continue to be the only SL team with no academy (I believe Leigh will start theirs up again next season if they stay in SL). I really hope they get shafted by this if franchising ever returns.
We remain the only club outside of SL to run our own academy setup. Technically KR have one but it's run jointly with FC.
Edit: Halifax have an academy don't they? How come they didn't get a rating?'"
Very good points. Was reading the FC & Leeds boards the other day, and some are unhappy at their academies, yet have got outstanding ratings. Some Leeds fans in particular were unhappy at the development of their players (who have Leeds brought through in last 3 years that has cemented their place in the team or gone on to international level) Oh well, hopefully we'll get some off-field stability and our not so good academy will continue producing and developing players.
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| Quote ="Nothus"St Helens Academy - rated outstanding
Huddersfield Academy - rated outstanding
Bradford Bulls Academy - rated 'requires improvement'
So why the hell are these clubs not producing their own talented youngsters if their academies are so good?
Salford continue to be the only SL team with no academy (I believe Leigh will start theirs up again next season if they stay in SL). I really hope they get shafted by this if franchising ever returns.
We remain the only club outside of SL to run our own academy setup. Technically KR have one but it's run jointly with FC.
Edit: Halifax have an academy don't they? How come they didn't get a rating?'"
IIRC our academy rating was lowered, despite us making improvements, at same as we dropped to championship. Almost like they werent prepared to acknowledge having a outstanding academy outside the SL. |
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I didn't realise Huddersfield had an academy. If they do and it's apparently rated so highly, why do they keep wanting our players? Seems to be something a tad dodgy about the ratings...
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www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... utstanding
I think the marking of academies looks at a whole range of things, not just the numbers of players coming through into the first team. For example it looks at player welfare and education. It also favours those clubs with the resources to be able to provide more specialised coaching. I remember John B telling me last year when we were rated "good" that it would take significant investment to become "outstanding".
Our meltdown obviously hurt the academy. I remember John saying after the meltdown before the latest that a lot of work was needed to re-build. You could say we were in a worse position this year too so our "requires improvement" rating isn't surprising. What I hope is that the rumours of John B becoming head coach aren't true given that there is much to do to improve the academy and he's the best in the business for doing that job.
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www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... utstanding
I think the marking of academies looks at a whole range of things, not just the numbers of players coming through into the first team. For example it looks at player welfare and education. It also favours those clubs with the resources to be able to provide more specialised coaching. I remember John B telling me last year when we were rated "good" that it would take significant investment to become "outstanding".
Our meltdown obviously hurt the academy. I remember John saying after the meltdown before the latest that a lot of work was needed to re-build. You could say we were in a worse position this year too so our "requires improvement" rating isn't surprising. What I hope is that the rumours of John B becoming head coach aren't true given that there is much to do to improve the academy and he's the best in the business for doing that job.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"I didn't realise Huddersfield had an academy. If they do and it's apparently rated so highly, why do they keep wanting our players? Seems to be something a tad dodgy about the ratings...'"
Why does that surprise you? Look at how many ex Bulls Academy players who were in the last England World Cup squad..But we won't be missed. |
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"
Halifax have a reserves, not an academy i believe.'"
I think..... the Halifax club don't have an academy, but they have a close relationship with Halifax Elite Rugby Academy. That academy primarily provides to Fax, but has also supplied players to other clubs too, so isn't directly affiliated with Fax.
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