And you're left with a seriously de-motivated player on a fair whack in your squad. I'd take Pitts to be honest. Besides, he's actually a very good player, just probably not in a position that you need.

We need a prop. Hull need to offload at least one player to get Carvell under their cap. And are not offering props.
So I would think we're going to drag this out until we can source a replacement prop.

Look at Luis Suarez at Liverpool. He wanted to leave before the start of the season, the club refused, now he's the leading goal scorer in the league!

Nonsense. When he goes we'll get a replacement in, probably via a loan, defiantly not of the same quality, but the loss of one prop wont determine if we finish above London/Widnes/wakey.
If it was that tenous we were done for anyway.

I agree, but Gareth Carvel should quit being a vagina and tell us fans and the club that he either wants to stay or leave. If he wants to stay then great, if he wants to leave then we should allow him to leave and use the money to strengthen areas of the squad where it's needed to the best we can with what is and may be available on the market.

What about Danny Sculthorpe?

imo think hes on his way, if you get pitts you have a good player if played in second row or loose forward, i would be sad to see him leave hull,

Can't understand why we would want Pitts or why any deal would likely feature him. We don't need back rowers. If GC has refused TUPE, and Hull need to offload players to avoid SC breaches in order to get GC, then that would leave GC in limbo if Hull can't create any space.

We don't want Pitts. Decent a player as he is, he isn't a prop and never will be. We are 'suited' for SR and loose and don't need more so, if Carvell were to leave our money will be better spent on another prop. Agree entirely, if Hull have agreed to take another player which will take them over the top, well it's their tough luck.

As I understand the live salary cap situation it would mean the RFL refusing to allow the deal, whether we allow it or not. Which basically means Carvell stays here with no fault attached to us so maybe Carvell could build bridges and get back in Franny's good books.

Or maybe the whole story is a pile of smelly stuff?

Does anyone know whether Carvell's agent represents any other Bulls player?

I agree on the first part, on Pitts as part of any deal, that sounds like it would suit hull better than us. However, it depends on the figures involved, which none of us know. A straight swap carvel for Pitts with no change in our costs is a poor deal for us. But if the deal was Pitts, and we could get a decent prop in and reduce our overall costs then it's not too bad.
Carvel=Pitts, nope
Carvel=Pitts+a.n.other prop+lower costs. Yes.

But we'll never know the full facts to make a proper judgement.

speculation we are releasing Shannon Mcdonnell to make room

Shouldn't this type situation be simple? If he has transferred across he is our player until we decide otherwise or in 2yrs, if he hasn't he can walk, we can't do a lot about it as I understand? If we don't have a watertight contract Tuped across the bulls website statement saying he ain't going anywhere could look foolish

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Carvells agent is Phil Clarkes brother. I listened to radio humberside and they had martyn sadler on and according to him there is a rule the rfl have which is something to do with employment protection for players. In short he said there is nothing to stop GC walking away and any otherplayer as well.

Protection from what? Has GC bot been paid or something?

Just repeating what he said. Ye might want to go on their podcast If there is one.

you got that dead right supercat. when will some of you learn that these boys have families to keep and mortgages to pay. some of the boys have not been paid for 2 months. the money that was owed to them from the old company is now lost. wgat are they expected to live on? its not just carvell, there are at least 4 others wanting out and who can blame them the way they have been treat? should be a ruling by monday.
employment law says they should have been kept advised and are now free to walk

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We have lost most of our young talent,lost half our sky money,can't sell enough season tickets,in administration for fun,we have a loan shark's axe hanging over our heads,our new signing wants away before he's made a tackle,we have just been slaughtered in two pre season games killing stone dead any optimism,we have the most uninspiring squad of players that I can ever remember..........
I could have chosen almost anyone from the past and they would be an improvement on what's occurring right now.At least Jack Bates was Northern through and through and was there sat in the stand with rest of us for years and years.
We are a joke at present and that's a fact.

looking more worrying for you guys, dont think Carvell will be the last, if he does go, could be followed by a few others, personally i hope its sorted before the full season kicks off next week, feel for the fans and worry for the game in u.k

You know what, we've lost finer players than Carvell so I just want it finalised as soon as possible now. It's looking increasingly likely that we're going to be involved in a real dogfight to survive this year. Carvell would have added some quality and experience to the fight but only if his heart is in it. Disappointing in a way because some of the squad likely to be left behind have dealt with far more uncertainty and problems than he will have in the short time at the club.

We've still yet to hear anything from the player himself, but the longer than goes on..the more likely it is that he is seeking the move to be honest.

I would suggest this is all but done. He was in Hull yesterday catching up with a couple of old team mates.

If Hull have to off load somebody before they can sign Carvell, is it looking like Pitts or is anybody else rumoured to be heading out the door

Mcdonnell rumoured to be already paid off. Struggling to get over a hamstring tear that he picked up in the CC Semi-final.