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I'd suggest that if you checked back pre-good friday the number of threads about the Wigan derby and posts where numerous. Wigan had a ticket thread going about 6 weeks pre-match.
If we look at the CC until the week of the game no one really took an interest.
It's now 2 days prior to another derby and zero threads on this board.
I think that speaks for itself. It's not just the amount of derbies is the back to back nature of them.
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I'd suggest that if you checked back pre-good friday the number of threads about the Wigan derby and posts where numerous. Wigan had a ticket thread going about 6 weeks pre-match.
If we look at the CC until the week of the game no one really took an interest.
It's now 2 days prior to another derby and zero threads on this board.
I think that speaks for itself. It's not just the amount of derbies is the back to back nature of them.
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| yep, a joke, chances are always high we'll have 4 derbies a year, 2 league games, 1 cup and 1 play off game, so having a fifth is pushing it even further.
What are the other options though? There is always the chance of 4, do we just drop the magic weekend? If it's popular this weekend, I think it will continue....
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| The cup and the playoff games are likely although not nessasarily dead certs. I'm hoping we finish higher in the league, but if we hold our current position the likely hood of a playoff meeting is unlikely.
We could play Warrington or Widnes or Salford in MM, it's still a local match. Leeds and Hull and Bradford games would also attract numbers. In the end I'm not a current fan of the concept of MM. When it was expanding the game (ie collecting a payment from the areas it was taken to) I could see the financial and strategic arguement. But now it really does seam like an extra game for no other reason than an extra game.
MM could still be done if the RFL feel it is a good concept within the league structure. Just one side would lose a home tie, but if the RFL think they can make it pay, financially then that side should not lose out.
I'm not against gimicks to push the game, it's just this gimick seams to have lost it's gimick for me.
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| Yep another 2 pts down the swanny
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| Yeah, far too many. I'm not going to the Magic weekend and I can honestly say I probably would have were we playing someone else for once.
Isn't this the 7th time we've played them in 12 months now? Something silly like that.
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| Definitely too many.
Also is this an extra game on top of the standard home and away league games? If so how is it fair that we get the pies while Warrington get super league's whipping boys? Can we swap? Widnes was after all our traditional "2nd derby" being played on new year's day and Easter Monday following the traditional pie games.
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| As a warriors fan, i actually have to agree. Its taking that magic derby game feeling away. We are just bored of beating you now
Only joking, they need to be spread out to create more hype and excitement.
RFL are simply after money and high Sky ratings. Basically floggings us as much as possible.
Wanky Warrington get an easy result, Widnes may as well not turn up
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| A sad consequence of a league with never more than 4 or 5 competitive teams at any given moment meaning that they're always going to end up meeting each other in the cups, a ridiculous playoff system where top 4 teams get to play each other twice most seasons, and a pointless setpiece event meant to broaden the appeal of the game nationwide but that takes place 20 miles away from LP and the Piedome and the results of which have no consequences whatsoever.
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| The matches at the magic weekend should be 1st play 2nd, 3rd play 4th, and etc. on down.
It would be exciting waiting for the end of the previous weekend's games to see where all the teams are set to play. And the games would mean more as if they are 4 pointers. And some teams wouldn't be getting a 'by' everytime, whilst others have to play the same team over and over again.
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| Quote: Harry Pinner "Also is this an extra game on top of the standard home and away league games? If so how is it fair that we get the pies while Warrington get super league's whipping boys? Can we swap? Widnes was after all our traditional "2nd derby" being played on new year's day and Easter Monday following the traditional pie games.'" This also rings true with the other teams.
Surely it would be acceptable to all to rotate which one of the Ws we play each year, if fact it would keep the concept fresher.
I concur that it should be set last years league placings. This would most likely be the more reliable way to get all competetive matches.
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| Quote: Harry Pinner "Also is this an extra game on top of the standard home and away league games? If so how is it fair that we get the pies while Warrington get super league's whipping boys? Can we swap? Widnes was after all our traditional "2nd derby" being played on new year's day and Easter Monday following the traditional pie games.'"
It isn't fair on Wigan or Saints. However since we lost to Widnes ( ) we can't make as much noise about it as you, but please keep complaining!
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| Quote: Harry Pinner "Definitely too many.
Also is this an extra game on top of the standard home and away league games? If so how is it fair that we get the pies while Warrington get super league's whipping boys? Can we swap? Widnes was after all our traditional "2nd derby" being played on new year's day and Easter Monday following the traditional pie games.'"
Can't help thinking that if the table, and form were reversed and the Saints were on top with two derby wins in the bag no one from St.Helens would be wishing for less derby games in a season, no I think they would be slagging
the Pies, and looking forward to another win on sunday. Things being as they are, most Saints fans are not looking to sunday with a good feeling of a win for them. I don't know why? as far as I'm concerned if the Pies don't turn up with their minds fully on the job in hand, Saints will turn us over. On the subject of if there are too many W & Sts. darbies, I agree, there are, great when you win but when sides like the Wire get a bye for there game, it does seem a bit of a bad joke for the hard points Saints and Wigan have to fight for. I know Widnes have put one over us this season, just goes to show "Pigs can fly" so don't give up on sunday. I for one am not counting any chickens..
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| I was of the same opinion last year too and the year before etc. But then I am a bit of a ludite, who thinks that season long performance is a better test of a team than a knockout competition for the last 4 games of the year. But before I derail my own thread. I do like the concept of the teams not knowing who they will play and the suggestion of league placings is certainly one way to go. In the end the coaches are not going to pick too different a team if they know from day 1 or 7 days before the match.
But as the whole MM is a gimick, how about this. The teams have no idea who they will play. Eh!! The day prior to MM the first set of teams are drawn out. (I would prefer on the day, but i suppose you can't expect every team to trudge up both days)
However on the last day, the teams and order could be drawn on the day.
That way no one knows the running order and fans will either have to buy into the RL carnival aspect or throw their dummies in as they can't pick the day that their team will play.
It may seam madness, but is it anymore madness to have a whole season and then shelve those result in favour of a knock out competition to decide the winners. Damn derailed myself again at the last breath...
O well
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| Yep, too many for me. Should only play each other once at home and once away.
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| Too many for me, too. Last season was ridiculous. I was bored rigid with the derbies by about our fourth meeting. This year I'm already bored with them and can't wait to get Sunday out of the way. I don't even care what the result is, I just want to see us playing someone else. At least after Sunday we have to wait until the last game of the season to play them again. Thank fook for that.
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