Of course it is, all our other player are dog sh*t!

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It'd be typical of our luck this season that Lomax, Roby and Soliola would all be injured for the game we need them most.

I think your task tomorrow night has been made harder with both Wire & The Giants winning. The Giants are now top & we are level with Wigan.

Wigan need the win even more now.

I could actually cry.

They don't we have Huddersfield at home in a few weeks and a much better points difference than Wire.

That'll be the same McIlorum who battered "King Keiron" all over the Old Trafford in his final appearance for Saints, and then continued the same treatment to Roby over the next three years.

Hahaha.

McIlorum in your opinion got the better of a player several years past his best, wow. Now I know he's your little lovechild but he just inst that good. The King in his pomp was at least 10 times the player McIlorum ever will be and Roby is the undisputed England 9 when fit, he would get in any Superleague team including yours and most NRL teams.

Your bias knows no bounds

He got the better of a shot KC in one game. Your not seriously even thinking that he's a better player than KC? Please tell me you ain't that stupid!

He is

I never said he was, but he targeted Cunningham in that game. If you remember Riddell had been starting hooker at Wigan that season, but for the final McIlorum was given the job of "looking after" Cunningham something he did easily.

Anyway, back on topic, I think it'll be pretty close tomorrow.

You talk so much nonsense. There are 26 blokes on a rugby field. Hookers don't play head to head or mark each other in any way.

Without Roby you will find it very difficult.

That said I think you will raise your game in the first 20 of each half. We will rest Lockers and Sam and taking all this into account the scores will be a lost closer than many think

On paper a Wigan win, but by fewer than most believe and a Stains win is certainly not beyond the realms of possibility.

Watch the game again and see what happened. Why do you think Wigan started McIlorum ahead of Riddell?
You've already took a battering on the Wigan site you don't really want another do you?



Back on topic, I think it'll be a close game tomorrow.

By taken a battering do you mean pointing out Wigan's lack of silverware and everyone crying about it? Nice one.

So you're honestly saying that he was picked purely to man mark Cunningham?

Correct.

Hookers don't go head to head in the game.

A battering ? clueless old tool. He took abuse from a bunch of inbreds for pointing out the truth.

On topic you goons will walk it tomorrow , wont stop you peddling your pathetic excuses though.

He really is that stupid.

I don't know why Rogues is taking so much stick for pointing out a couple of 'facts'. In the GF of 2010 McIlorum was superb and got the better of his opposite number, the great Keiron Cunningham. It was the night the lad came of age and he hasn't looked back.

His second point that McIlorum has got the better of Roby more often then not in the last 3 years is also true. It's not all down to McIlorum obviously, he's been playing in a better side but its still true.

Like I said earlier in the thread MM is a huge part of this Wigan side and is a major reason why your forwards legs have gone to jelly at the prospect of facing Wigan these past couple of seasons. If he's out tonight along with Tomkins and O'Loughlin Saints will win the game IMO.

Nobody is doubting that mm is decent player (I like his rough style) but how can a hooker take another hooker out the game ? It's not like he can shadow someone who plays behind the play the ball is it?

If you mean he played better than him on the night, then I'd agree but that's not really taking KC out the game or getting the better of him is it? It means that mm just played better on the day.

If your hinting that MM is better than both KC and Roby, then your totally deluded. He's not in the same league as KC and Roby and its embarrassing to even mention him in the same breath as them.

I agree one hooker can't take another out of a game (legally anyway) and yes I do just mean in terms of him outplaying him in a one off situation. He's also outplayed Roby more often then not but that is due to the attention Wigan, as a team, pay Roby because they know how good he is.

He's far better then decent though McIlorum. He's not as good as KC (who is/was for a long time) and if swap him for Roby but that's not a slight on the guy. I think his style of play marks him out as a very important player for Wigan and I'd imagine he's horrible to play against. It's another debate this one and I don't expect it would get much backing round these parts but I'd actually start MM for England with Roby on the bench. Is that because I think he's better? No but I Di think he's better suited to the role of starting hooker in test match rugby. I'd only give him 25-30 mins a game to rough teams up before setting a fresh Roby loose but I'd certainly start him.

I'd never pick him ahead of KC or Roby, but McIlorum is a good example of what our side currently lacks. We could do with someone in our pack who has that level of aggression and intensity.

To be honest I don’t think he was I think it was more that you did get a fair mauling about some things you came out with, and IMO it was fair. I think KC was a super player, but an even better figure-head and leader. MM is also a super player with a lot more to prove, but for me is not a born leader, or icon. JR is just a fantastic player, no doubt of it and I can’t think of a single flaw in his normal game, he is truly world class, and if any one thing could swing it against Saints tonight, it’s his absence.

Surely Lance is on his way out ?