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| Quote ="secondstanza"Would have been a much stronger contest had 3 tries not been given away.
Walmsley is an outstanding prop - in my opinion the best in the league and absolutely should be in the England squad - but Masoe? Don't talk daft. I swear to god everytime I see him play I don't see the fuss. He get's knocked back as much as he knocks others. On one hand you've got the best prop in SL and on the other, the most overrated prop in SL.'"
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| Aye, was a weird one that. Still, ignoring that shoulder barge that put him into touch whilst he was chasing it are we?
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| Quote ="secondstanza"Would have been a much stronger contest had 3 tries not been given away.
Walmsley is an outstanding prop - in my opinion the best in the league and absolutely should be in the England squad - but Masoe? Don't talk daft. I swear to god everytime I see him play I don't see the fuss. He get's knocked back as much as he knocks others. On one hand you've got the best prop in SL and on the other, the most overrated prop in SL.'"
I'm not a huge fan of Masoe in general because he doesn't get through enough work IMO, but he was really good tonight. He got reasonably quick play the balls and drew a lot of defenders. Two examples come to mind. One carry he took in on Wigan line, they had to commit numbers to the tackle to stop him. When he played the ball (inbetween the posts), Wigan had 4 players between the posts, then one either side of the posts. If one carry from him can do that, it gives our backs more space, and we scored on the next play.
The other example he took a carry coming out of our own half. Won the floor, got a quick PTB before the markers were set, Roby scooted and got another quick PTB and Burns kicked a 40/20 as a result. There are very few players in Super League who can require a team to commit so many defenders to a tackle (or get quick play the balls if they don't).
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| Quote ="secondstanza"Aye, was a weird one that. Still, ignoring that shoulder barge that put him into touch whilst he was chasing it are we?'"
Hence the wink
Masoes Impact needs to be taken for what it is, it's all about presence with him, and he's generally very very good at throwing opposition off their game both in attack and defence (certainly in big games)
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| Quote ="Saint #1"I'm not a huge fan of Masoe in general because he doesn't get through enough work IMO, but he was really good tonight. He got reasonably quick play the balls and drew a lot of defenders. Two examples come to mind. One carry he took in on Wigan line, they had to commit numbers to the tackle to stop him. When he played the ball (inbetween the posts), Wigan had 4 players between the posts, then one either side of the posts. If one carry from him can do that, it gives our backs more space, and we scored on the next play.
The other example he took a carry coming out of our own half. Won the floor, got a quick PTB before the markers were set, Roby scooted and got another quick PTB and Burns kicked a 40/20 as a result. There are very few players in Super League who can require a team to commit so many defenders to a tackle (or get quick play the balls if they don't).'"
Yeah, that was a good play the ball. I think had you not worked the overlap on that attempt to score, we were rattled anyway and you'd have been in somewhere in that set.
For me he needs to do more minutes. I understand his thing is his weight and with that probably comes a lack of fitness, but remember that prop for St George who has a massive gut on him but put in massive minutes?
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| Quote ="secondstanza"Yeah, that was a good play the ball. I think had you not worked the overlap on that attempt to score, we were rattled anyway and you'd have been in somewhere in that set.
For me he needs to do more minutes. I understand his thing is his weight and with that probably comes a lack of fitness, but remember that prop for St George who has a massive gut on him but put in massive minutes?'"
You mean rose ?
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| Who got Sky MoM? I missed it after the game. I'd have given it to Walmsley, he was fantastic tonight.
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| Quote ="St pete"You mean rose ?'"
Aye, that's the one. He really impressed me for the weight of him and the amount of good, hard minutes he played. When he came on I thought he'd do 5 minutes but he shut me up.
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Quote ="secondstanza"Yeah, that was a good play the ball. I think had you not worked the overlap on that attempt to score, we were rattled anyway and you'd have been in somewhere in that set.
For me he needs to do more minutes. I understand his thing is his weight and with that probably comes a lack of fitness, but remember that prop for St George who has a massive gut on him but put in massive minutes?'"
Yeah I agree, but a player who can get a quick play the ball like that after drawing so many defenders in is really useful and I think gives us something different from the rest of our forwards. My issue with Masoe is he doesn't get in that position often enough (even for the time he's on the field). For example, in 2013, 20% of South Sydney's tries came off the back of George Burgess play the balls - www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 2t3cm.html - there's no reason Masoe couldn't have a similar benefit for his teammates at Super League level at least.
Do you mean George Rose? As much as George Rose has a huge gut, he only weighed around 116kg according to ZeroTackle. I think the average prop nowadays is around 110kg. Masoe for comparison is 130kg. That 14kg difference is huge and for him to do longer minutes I think we'd have to lose some of that.
Quote ="Nozzy"Who got Sky MoM? I missed it after the game. I'd have given it to Walmsley, he was fantastic tonight.'"
McDonell. I'd have given it to Walmsley or Roby, but obviously Stevo is incapable of awarding a MoM to someone who hasn't scored a try.
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For me he needs to do more minutes. I understand his thing is his weight and with that probably comes a lack of fitness, but remember that prop for St George who has a massive gut on him but put in massive minutes?'"
Yeah I agree, but a player who can get a quick play the ball like that after drawing so many defenders in is really useful and I think gives us something different from the rest of our forwards. My issue with Masoe is he doesn't get in that position often enough (even for the time he's on the field). For example, in 2013, 20% of South Sydney's tries came off the back of George Burgess play the balls - www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 2t3cm.html - there's no reason Masoe couldn't have a similar benefit for his teammates at Super League level at least.
Do you mean George Rose? As much as George Rose has a huge gut, he only weighed around 116kg according to ZeroTackle. I think the average prop nowadays is around 110kg. Masoe for comparison is 130kg. That 14kg difference is huge and for him to do longer minutes I think we'd have to lose some of that.
Quote ="Nozzy"Who got Sky MoM? I missed it after the game. I'd have given it to Walmsley, he was fantastic tonight.'"
McDonell. I'd have given it to Walmsley or Roby, but obviously Stevo is incapable of awarding a MoM to someone who hasn't scored a try.
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| Quote ="secondstanza"Aye, that's the one. He really impressed me for the weight of him and the amount of good, hard minutes he played. When he came on I thought he'd do 5 minutes but he shut me up.'"
He was at manley but moved to St George.
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| Anybody not acknowledging Masoe's impact tonight are mad. He went straight for McIlorum and bloody hammered him, both with and without the ball. They never even dared to go near the middle of the field afterwards.
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| Quote ="Saint #1"
McDonell. I'd have given it to Walmsley or Roby, but obviously Stevo is incapable of awarding a MoM to someone who hasn't scored a try.'"
I don't know how they work it at Langree Park but at Wigan they have their own MoM which tends to be different to the sky one. I'd have gone with Roby. Far and away the best hooker in the league and so consistent aswell.
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| Quote ="SLS"Anybody not acknowledging Masoe's impact tonight are mad. He went straight for McIlorum and bloody hammered him, both with and without the ball. They never even dared to go near the middle of the field afterwards.'"
He OWED McIlorum that one from the last derby when bull-neck hit him whilst prone.
There's no escape from Bigfoot's wrath.
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Quote ="SLS"Anybody not acknowledging Masoe's impact tonight are mad. He went straight for McIlorum and bloody hammered him, both with and without the ball. They never even dared to go near the middle of the field afterwards.'"
Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself.
Savellio was by far the better player last night.
And all this crap about Saints dominating the game.
Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game.
www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139
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Quote ="SLS"Anybody not acknowledging Masoe's impact tonight are mad. He went straight for McIlorum and bloody hammered him, both with and without the ball. They never even dared to go near the middle of the field afterwards.'"
Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself.
Savellio was by far the better player last night.
And all this crap about Saints dominating the game.
Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game.
www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself.
Savellio was by far the better player last night.
And all this crap about Saints dominating the game.
Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game.
www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139'"
Lies, damned lies and statistics.
See you in September/October. I suggest you find some props before attempting to take us on again.
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself.
Savellio was by far the better player last night.
And all this crap about Saints dominating the game.
Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game.
www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139'"
Lies, damned lies and statistics.
See you in September/October. I suggest you find some props before attempting to take us on again.
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself.
Savellio was by far the better player last night.
And all this crap about Saints dominating the game.
Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game.
www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139'"
Haha you lot are full of excuses. You won because flower was sent off, you won because we let you...
We were faultless second half and we completely dominated you. You were outclassed, second best and an embarrassment.
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself.
Savellio was by far the better player last night.
And all this crap about Saints dominating the game.
Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game.
www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139'"
Haha you lot are full of excuses. You won because flower was sent off, you won because we let you...
We were faultless second half and we completely dominated you. You were outclassed, second best and an embarrassment.
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself.
Savellio was by far the better player last night.
And all this crap about Saints dominating the game.
Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game.
www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139'"
Its not all about individual metres though, Mose attracted 4 wigan players every time he took the ball up, he was used twice as a decoy again attracting wigan players, this was using a lot of energy from the Wigan team. Wigan were making metres on the outer edges but were more or less dominated in the middle, we had a better kicking game so we didn,t have to make loads of metres.
Wigan,s bad composure at times created there own errors, I think Saints approach to the game contributed to that and exposed the weakness in a wigan side striving for consistency.
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself.
Savellio was by far the better player last night.
And all this crap about Saints dominating the game.
Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game.
www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139'"
Its not all about individual metres though, Mose attracted 4 wigan players every time he took the ball up, he was used twice as a decoy again attracting wigan players, this was using a lot of energy from the Wigan team. Wigan were making metres on the outer edges but were more or less dominated in the middle, we had a better kicking game so we didn,t have to make loads of metres.
Wigan,s bad composure at times created there own errors, I think Saints approach to the game contributed to that and exposed the weakness in a wigan side striving for consistency.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Its not all about individual metres though, Mose attracted 4 wigan players every time he took the ball up, he was used twice as a decoy again attracting wigan players, this was using a lot of energy from the Wigan team. Wigan were making metres on the outer edges but were more or less dominated in the middle, we had a better kicking game so we didn,t have to make loads of metres.
Wigan,s bad composure at times created there own errors, I think Saints approach to the game contributed to that and exposed the weakness in a wigan side striving for consistency.'"
Saints first try, Masoe drives to the sticks and attracts four Wigan defenders (one of which was the fabled 'Mickey Mac', who may very well still be buried there after Masoe so comprehensively drove him into the dirt). Saints immediately go left and Swift walks in untouched. On the stats sheet, it'll only measure as a 4m gain and a carry. In due context, it was enormous.
Of course these are the finer arts of the sport. One can't expect daft Wiganers to understand.
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| Wigan turned into proper Disney villains in the 2nd half. Was funny as f... to watch them lose their rag and try to goad/injure our players. Wane's one game plan has well and truly been worked out.
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself.
Savellio was by far the better player last night.
And all this crap about Saints dominating the game.
Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game.
www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139'"
I don't think even you believe that those stats tell the true story of the game. Feel free to judge Mose's performance on his stats. Those of us with eyes to see could see the impact he had.
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself.
Savellio was by far the better player last night.
And all this crap about Saints dominating the game.
Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game.
www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139'"
I don't think even you believe that those stats tell the true story of the game. Feel free to judge Mose's performance on his stats. Those of us with eyes to see could see the impact he had.
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself.
Savellio was by far the better player last night.
And all this crap about Saints dominating the game.
Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game.
www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139'"
Do you actually believe the s**te you post ? You goons made errors because you were under pressure, champion teams cope with pressure better than losers. There is a reason we are Champions clearly.
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself.
Savellio was by far the better player last night.
And all this crap about Saints dominating the game.
Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game.
www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139'"
Do you actually believe the s**te you post ? You goons made errors because you were under pressure, champion teams cope with pressure better than losers. There is a reason we are Champions clearly.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Talk about things I've never seen. Penalizing and injured prone player rather than stopping the game.'"
Despite it also being a head injury . A disgraceful decision
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