I thought Mose was lazy last night. But if you look at the stats, you'll see that his performance is not very different from all the other forwards bar Roby and Walmsley. It just wasn't a great forward performance all round last night, and I don't think it would be fair or accurate to pick out Mose as a particular standout disappointment.

I started to hear few voices in the crowd now calling mose fat and lazy. He doesn't offer anything more than sav.

Disagree, 39m from a guy his size is not a good return. Walmsley, Roby, Vea and Amor completely outplayed him, and greenwood and Thompson, despite having below par performances for them, still comfortably put more effort in than Masoe.

I was very disappointed with him last night, BUT I'd be intrigued to see the number of tries we scored with him on the pitch vs how many we scored off ther pitch - there was a period we had 3on1 overlaps virtually every play.

Until Savelio can gain some more presence on the pitch, he's not Masoes replacement. That said, Mose looked like a man distracted by contract negotiations to me.

Was he distracted all pre season as well as he's massivley unfit. He looks fat, he looks lazy and not interested. He had a spell where he was a little fired up but basically he was stopped with ease as per usual. I'd go as far to say he was fitter last year.

I think he's lucky we won things last year as fans would start to see how lazy and soft he is. I've heard fans in two games now starting to notice he doesn't pull his weight.

I can't beleive a guy that size and who's very mobile for his size can't break a paper bag.

At the other end of the scale, it looks like Percy really put the work in last off season, he looks bigger, stronger and faster. He's a real threat with the ball in hand. He's going to play for england im pretty sure of that.

Yet Percy got no joy from any of the SKY idiots.

In fact they were saying he had to do better in future after scoring.

I guess he's not with one of their or their families agents and so is getting laid into.

I do think comentators should have to declare conflicts of interest before commentating, just so we know they are peddling their own or families businesses.

I'm not a Mose basher, but i was disappointed with his effort yesterday. We needed a sleaves rolled up performance, I was expecting him to do what he did last season in that match and play some of the dirty work. In stead he was still on and off as an impact player, yet made no impact.

Should have done better. a 5 from me for that yesterday. I don't buy into that it's all the time though.

What an embarrassing thread. While probably accidental what Amor did was pretty dangerous. if you're unlucky putting 16 stone of pressure on a guy's head could be tragic. And what with every call going your way at the expense of at least two Cas tries, calling Silverwood for a yellow card for dangerous play is a bit rich. Stay classy lads!

Which two? The second forward pass should have been a try but the first was a mile forward, just look at the line. Its 2m behind when passed and 2m in front when caught.

Come on, don't believe everything the sky idiots say

Well done, great press reporting. Reporting nothing actually posted on this thread.

It's embarrasing when people come on stating that something has been said that has not. Go fishing elsewhere.

People have called it soft, sin-binning sufficient ,mose is fat, and a few other comments. But nothing more than what you have said, it was accidental.

It was only after the linesman saw the replay on the big screen that he ran on and had words with Silverwood.

Deserved sinbin, can't complain if he gets one match ban really. I'd be going bananas if a Wigan player did it!

You cannot be serious.

I am entirely serious. I've never seen a league winger so fat, slow and out of shape. No way was he onside.

It was an akward one to judge, seems as though Amor was caught in 2 minds. The tackle was not complete and it looked as though he wanted to make sure with a smother tackle.
I think he just got the technique wrong, he,s not that type of player to cause intentional injury.

It was careless, nothing more. Sin binning correct and a warning about the "technique" should suffice.

I agree, especially as hes not known for his foul play

Plenty of you saying it was a ridiculous decision. If a Wigan player had done it to a Saints player you'd be on the phone to the police

Dead right we would with Wanes objectives of tackle to injure, do Wigan still have those "rugby car crash pictures" in the corridor of the Orrell training ground!.
When I saw them a few seasons ago..........beyond the borderline of sport.

That's because it would have been intentional .

Police? Can't recall saints or lance Hohaia calling the police when Ben Flower assaulted Lance?

Didn't saints offers the support to the disgraceful Ben Flower?

Having watched the game back the yellow was deserved.

As for Saints getting all the decisions, the massive NFL block that took place the tackle before carney's first try was comical. It's as if ref's are now scared to give obstruction.

Interestingly enough sky didn't really make a lot of it compared with Phil Clarke's 'oh no!!!' with the forward pass call which was an understandable decision given that the player was stood in front of the guy passing the ball

Amor charged grade c
Burns charged grade b

Not sure how the RFL can charge Burns for that on Carney when they let Carney get away with a far worse tackle on Escare the last round (after banning Ah Van in R1)...yet again no consistency

Burns 1 match
Amor 2 matches

Imo

I can see Amor getting a couple of matches. I think it would be harsh to ban Burns - he's got a pretty solid defence in that he was thrown off kilter by the hand-off. That one should be penalty sufficient IMO. He does have previous, though, so it may not go his way.

I don't mind those challenges being bans, as soft as they are, but there is just no consistency. I would LOVE to be able to grill the people in charge about how incompetent they are. Burns's high shot was with an open palm, more of a slapping motion. It was an attempt at a grab that ended up high due to Carney's hand off. No way a ban when you compare to Carney's attempt to take Escare's head off in Perpignan as mentioned above.

Amor's was poor technique and ultimately is dangerous. So a 2-3 game ban after a yellow card marks that down as a serious offense. But will we see the same punishment handed out for repeats of this in SL? No, of course we won't.

I think Saints should kick off about how the televised games are over refereed and the non-televised games tend to escape punishment. I see Charnley escaped what even Wigan fans are saying was a clear Smith-esque petulant kick during the Hull KR game. Ignored by the disciplinary as they couldn't tell if it made contact? Utterly bizarre.

Quote ="Saddened!"I don't mind those challenges being bans, as soft as they are, but there is just no consistency. I would LOVE to be able to grill the people in charge about how incompetent they are. Burns's high shot was with an open palm, more of a slapping motion. It was an attempt at a grab that ended up high due to Carney's hand off. No way a ban when you compare to Carney's attempt to take Escare's head off in Perpignan as mentioned above. Amor's was poor technique and ultimately is dangerous. So a 2-3 game ban after a yellow card marks that down as a serious offense. But will we see the same punishment handed out for repeats of this in SL? No, of course we won't. I think Saints should kick off about how the televised games are over refereed and the non-televised games tend to escape punishment. I see Charnley escaped what even Wigan fans are saying was a clear Smith-esque petulant kick during the Hull KR game. Ignored by the disciplinary as they couldn't tell if it made contact? Utterly bizarre.'" This would be my argument against any ban and the credibility of the RFL disciplinary. www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary/item?5890 You can find the incident on this page Wire Vs Salford 1 min into the highlights... www.superleague.co.uk/sltv/slhighlights#

Quote ="Saddened!"I don't mind those challenges being bans, as soft as they are, but there is just no consistency. I would LOVE to be able to grill the people in charge about how incompetent they are. Burns's high shot was with an open palm, more of a slapping motion. It was an attempt at a grab that ended up high due to Carney's hand off. No way a ban when you compare to Carney's attempt to take Escare's head off in Perpignan as mentioned above. Amor's was poor technique and ultimately is dangerous. So a 2-3 game ban after a yellow card marks that down as a serious offense. But will we see the same punishment handed out for repeats of this in SL? No, of course we won't. I think Saints should kick off about how the televised games are over refereed and the non-televised games tend to escape punishment. I see Charnley escaped what even Wigan fans are saying was a clear Smith-esque petulant kick during the Hull KR game. Ignored by the disciplinary as they couldn't tell if it made contact? Utterly bizarre.'" This would be my argument against any ban and the credibility of the RFL disciplinary. www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary/item?5890 You can find the incident on this page Wire Vs Salford 1 min into the highlights... www.superleague.co.uk/sltv/slhighlights#