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Reading Moleys blog Lewis aint interested in moving over here so the saga continues...
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"Reading Moleys blog Lewis aint interested in moving over here so the saga continues...'"
That's a shame because even at the age of 33, Lewis would still be several degrees of class ahead of any other player in the Leeds squad has ever been.
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why James Segeyaro stuck in legal limbo as Rhinos stick to transfer fee demand
www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/james-s ... 259cc1e69f
JAMES Segeyaro faces an uncertain future after Leeds Rhinos confirmed they’ve instructed lawyers in Australia to prepare for legal proceedings against the ex- Penrith hooker for walking out on the Super League giants.
Segeyaro is already staring at the prospect of spending the next two seasons out of the NRL with Rhinos CEO Gary Hetherington insisting his club won’t relax demands for a $400,000 transfer fee for his registration, which expires in November 2018.
The 26-year-old has been training with Cronulla and staying with close friend Wade Graham in the hope of earning a move to the NRL premiers who are looking for a replacement for Michael Ennis.
However, the Sharks are unwilling to sacrifice so much of their salary cap on a transfer fee, leaving Segeyaro in limbo unless another club is willing to fork out what Leeds want.
Graham said Segeyaro is in turmoil over the situation and hopes his close friend’s future can be resolved soon.
James Segeyaro won’t return to Leeds and can’t play in NRL unless a club pays massive transfer fee.
James Segeyaro won’t return to Leeds and can’t play in NRL unless a club pays massive transfer fee.
Source: Supplied
“He’s been a bit all over the place to be honest,” Graham told AAP from Cronulla’s camp in London ahead of their World Club Series clash with Wigan. “He just wants to be playing again. I’d love it to be with us. “He’s one of my best mates. I just want what’s right for him and I really hope something can be sorted.”
But a furious Hetherington said he has no sympathy for the 26-year-old after he made unflattering comments about his time at the Super League giants shortly after committing his future to the club.
“James reneged on his contract and he’s on the transfer list,” Hetherington told AAP.
“We’ve spoken to the NRL and they’ve made it clear that they won’t register any contract unless we’ve been paid the fee we want.
“We’ve employed lawyers in Australia to begin legal action for breach of contract.”
English to end NRL streak?English to end NRL streak?0:38
Hetherington defended his hard line stance and said he told Segeyaro and his manager Sam Ayoub what would happen when he met them in Sydney last November. “I was bitterly disappointed when they told me James wasn’t coming back and told them what the consequences would be,” he said.
“I am making the stand for integrity of the game and for fans who pay money to watch rugby league every week.
“This kind of thing has started to happen a lot and we need to make sure it stops. It’s not right.” Segeyaro agreed to a two-and-half year deal when he moved to Leeds from Penrith midway through last season that included a break clause at the end of the campaign.
“He had until September to tell us if he wanted to invoke that clause but he told us he was happy to stay and made statements of intent to that effect,” Hetherington said.
“Then he went home and all of a sudden he’s homesick and wanting to go back to the NRL.” Segeyaro is not being paid by Leeds and Hetherington made it clear there’s no way back for him at Headingley.
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why James Segeyaro stuck in legal limbo as Rhinos stick to transfer fee demand
www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/james-s ... 259cc1e69f
JAMES Segeyaro faces an uncertain future after Leeds Rhinos confirmed they’ve instructed lawyers in Australia to prepare for legal proceedings against the ex- Penrith hooker for walking out on the Super League giants.
Segeyaro is already staring at the prospect of spending the next two seasons out of the NRL with Rhinos CEO Gary Hetherington insisting his club won’t relax demands for a $400,000 transfer fee for his registration, which expires in November 2018.
The 26-year-old has been training with Cronulla and staying with close friend Wade Graham in the hope of earning a move to the NRL premiers who are looking for a replacement for Michael Ennis.
However, the Sharks are unwilling to sacrifice so much of their salary cap on a transfer fee, leaving Segeyaro in limbo unless another club is willing to fork out what Leeds want.
Graham said Segeyaro is in turmoil over the situation and hopes his close friend’s future can be resolved soon.
James Segeyaro won’t return to Leeds and can’t play in NRL unless a club pays massive transfer fee.
James Segeyaro won’t return to Leeds and can’t play in NRL unless a club pays massive transfer fee.
Source: Supplied
“He’s been a bit all over the place to be honest,” Graham told AAP from Cronulla’s camp in London ahead of their World Club Series clash with Wigan. “He just wants to be playing again. I’d love it to be with us. “He’s one of my best mates. I just want what’s right for him and I really hope something can be sorted.”
But a furious Hetherington said he has no sympathy for the 26-year-old after he made unflattering comments about his time at the Super League giants shortly after committing his future to the club.
“James reneged on his contract and he’s on the transfer list,” Hetherington told AAP.
“We’ve spoken to the NRL and they’ve made it clear that they won’t register any contract unless we’ve been paid the fee we want.
“We’ve employed lawyers in Australia to begin legal action for breach of contract.”
English to end NRL streak?English to end NRL streak?0:38
Hetherington defended his hard line stance and said he told Segeyaro and his manager Sam Ayoub what would happen when he met them in Sydney last November. “I was bitterly disappointed when they told me James wasn’t coming back and told them what the consequences would be,” he said.
“I am making the stand for integrity of the game and for fans who pay money to watch rugby league every week.
“This kind of thing has started to happen a lot and we need to make sure it stops. It’s not right.” Segeyaro agreed to a two-and-half year deal when he moved to Leeds from Penrith midway through last season that included a break clause at the end of the campaign.
“He had until September to tell us if he wanted to invoke that clause but he told us he was happy to stay and made statements of intent to that effect,” Hetherington said.
“Then he went home and all of a sudden he’s homesick and wanting to go back to the NRL.” Segeyaro is not being paid by Leeds and Hetherington made it clear there’s no way back for him at Headingley.
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So when Hetherington met the player and his agent, he was told then that he didn't want to return, and threatened the player with what would happen? why did Hetherington tell the public after that meeting then that everything was fine and the player was looking forward to returning?
Seems what the player said at the time was indeed correct. I can see Hetherington getting caught out here, whether is stance is correct or not. Sooner or later the NRL will just say grow up, and register the player, with a statement forthcoming of an undisclosed fee paid in agreement.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"So when Hetherington met the player and his agent, he was told then that he didn't want to return, and threatened the player with what would happen? why did Hetherington tell the public after that meeting then that everything was fine and the player was looking forward to returning?
Seems what the player said at the time was indeed correct. I can see Hetherington getting caught out here, whether is stance is correct or not. Sooner or later the NRL will just say grow up, and register the player, with a statement forthcoming of an undisclosed fee paid in agreement.'"
Do you mean this?
He said: “[iThere has been interest from NRL clubs in James and one club in particular but I have explained to them that Leeds Rhinos are not prepared to consider a release or transfer so that is the end of the matter. I met up with James here in Sydney and he is in good condition and due back with us on 3rd January.[/i” |
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I still fail to see how Leeds can not pay him, terminate his contract (as a result of his actions), state that he can't come back, but still insist on a fee or him sitting out there game till the original contract expires. Surely that's a restraint of trade?
Sack him and sue him personally absolutely - but you can't have your cake and eat it... 'As a result of your actions, we will no longer pay you, and we wont have you back, but we're not going to let anyone else have you without a payment'.
For all Segeyaro is in the complete wrong, Leeds course of action just can't be right. They must either sack him or leave the door open for a return surely.
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| Quote ="loiner81"Do you mean this?
He said: “[iThere has been interest from NRL clubs in James and one club in particular but I have explained to them that Leeds Rhinos are not prepared to consider a release or transfer so that is the end of the matter. I met up with James here in Sydney and he is in good condition and due back with us on 3rd January.[/i”'"
No I don't mean that. I mean the one when he was in Australia, after meeting the player, only for the player three days later come out and say something completely different. The completely different that Hetherington seems to now be confirming was the case. |
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| Quote ="Superted"I still fail to see how Leeds can not pay him, terminate his contract (as a result of his actions), state that he can't come back, but still insist on a fee or him sitting out there game till the original contract expires. Surely that's a restraint of trade?
Sack him and sue him personally absolutely - but you can't have your cake and eat it... 'As a result of your actions, we will no longer pay you, and we wont have you back, but we're not going to let anyone else have you without a payment'.
For all Segeyaro is in the complete wrong, Leeds course of action just can't be right. They must either sack him or leave the door open for a return surely.'"
Leeds arent stopping Segeyaro playing for anyone else. The NRL are refusing to register him. |
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| [list[/list:u Quote ="Superted"I still fail to see how Leeds can not pay him, terminate his contract (as a result of his actions), state that he can't come back, but still insist on a fee or him sitting out there game till the original contract expires. Surely that's a restraint of trade?
Sack him and sue him personally absolutely - but you can't have your cake and eat it... 'As a result of your actions, we will no longer pay you, and we wont have you back, but we're not going to let anyone else have you without a payment'.
For all Segeyaro is in the complete wrong, Leeds course of action just can't be right. They must either sack him or leave the door open for a return surely.'"
This is my thinking here too. Time to just let go, i don't really see what the club are going to get out of this barring a lot of bad press in Australia from here on in.They aren't paying his wages anymore, have a replacement and clearly now won't get a fee for the player. It stinks what Segeyaro has done and it needs nipping in the bud but the point has been made now. |
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| Quote ="Gotcha"No I don't mean that. I mean the one when he was in Australia, after meeting the player, only for the player three days later come out and say something completely different. The completely different that Hetherington seems to now be confirming was the case.'"
What Lioner81 posted is exactly what GH said on the matter a few days before Segeyaro's comments a couple of days later. |
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| Quote ="Gotcha"No I don't mean that. I mean the one when he was in Australia, after meeting the player, only for the player three days later come out and say something completely different. The completely different that Hetherington seems to now be confirming was the case.'"
I can't seem to find it, can you post a link or a quote? |
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| Quote ="Superted"I still fail to see how Leeds can not pay him, terminate his contract (as a result of his actions), state that he can't come back, but still insist on a fee or him sitting out there game till the original contract expires. Surely that's a restraint of trade?
Sack him and sue him personally absolutely - but you can't have your cake and eat it... 'As a result of your actions, we will no longer pay you, and we wont have you back, but we're not going to let anyone else have you without a payment'.
For all Segeyaro is in the complete wrong, Leeds course of action just can't be right. They must either sack him or leave the door open for a return surely.'"
They have done what you suggested " sack him " he made the decision not to return, so what other choices do the club have.
The registration of a player is an asset to a club and you don't just give away assets.
Also keep in mind Segeyaro said its not about the money its about happiness so why worry, he is happy. |
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"[list[/list:uThis is my thinking here too. Time to just let go, i don't really see what the club are going to get out of this barring a lot of bad press in Australia from here on in.They aren't paying his wages anymore, have a replacement and clearly now won't get a fee for the player. It stinks what Segeyaro has done and it needs nipping in the bud but the point has been made now.'"
Leeds are trying to nip it in the bud by holding his registration, you cant say point made when all he has missed is the off season. He can easily take a wage from Cronulla on lower terms and buy out his registration from Leeds if he wants to play that bad.
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| Quote ="Superted"I still fail to see how Leeds can not pay him, terminate his contract (as a result of his actions), state that he can't come back, but still insist on a fee or him sitting out there game till the original contract expires. Surely that's a restraint of trade?
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they simply fine him a weeks wages when he doesn't turn up each week.
and he willingly signed a contract which he refuses to fulfil. leeds are in the right in every way and they hold all the aces. all cronulla have to do is offer a fee, i'm pretty sure something like 50k would sort it out.
only two people to blame for the whole mess, segayaro and his agent
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| Quote ="Gotcha"So when Hetherington met the player and his agent, he was told then that he didn't want to return, and threatened the player with what would happen? why did Hetherington tell the public after that meeting then that everything was fine and the player was looking forward to returning?
Seems what the player said at the time was indeed correct. I can see Hetherington getting caught out here, whether is stance is correct or not. Sooner or later the NRL will just say grow up, and register the player, with a statement forthcoming of an undisclosed fee paid in agreement.'"
Very interesting.
Seems like threats were issued during the meeting in Sydney.
Quote Hetherington defended his hard line stance and said he told Segeyaro and his manager Sam Ayoub what would happen when he met them in Sydney last November. [i“I was bitterly disappointed when they told me James wasn’t coming back and told them what the consequences would be,”[/i he said.'"
This places the whole issue in an entirely different light.
Quote Leeds Rhinos Chief Executive Gary Hetherington has confirmed that James Segeyaro will remain at the club [u[url=http://www.rugby-league.com/superleague/article/38978/james-segeyaro-updateand is looking forward to next season with the Rhinos.[/url[/u
Hetherington met with the Papua New Guinean hooker in Sydney and has confirmed that a number of NRL clubs have shown an interest in securing Segeyaro. Hetherington commented, [i"There has been interest from NRL clubs in James and one club in particular but I have explained to them that Leeds Rhinos are not prepared to consider a release or transfer so that is the end of the matter. I met up with James here in Sydney and he is in good condition and due back with us on 3rd January.”[/i'"
How could Segeyaro be looking forward to next season with the Rhinos when he and his agent were confronted in a meeting in Sydney with the consequences should he choose not return? |
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I don't get the hand-wringing on Segeyaro's behalf. The bad luck he's had is following on from the Hardaker farce of last year and at a time when players walking away from contracts has become a hot topic.
As an aside Aussie courts have upheld sporting contracts in the past - Gorden Tallis sat out the entire 1996 season rather than play for St George because he wanted to move to the Broncos, with a court ruling that he couldn't just walk away from his contract with St George.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Very interesting.
Seems like threats were issued during the meeting in Sydney.
This places the whole issue in an entirely different light.
How could Segeyaro be looking forward to next season with the Rhinos when he and his agent were confronted in a meeting in Sydney with the consequences should he choose not return?'"
You do realise the part you underlined isn't actually a quote from GH. |
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I'm not interested in your feeble attempt to assist your mate in the construction of his latest straw man.
He will be online soon to add more straw.
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| Quote ="The Donald Trump Of South Stander"I'm not interested in your feeble attempt to assist your mate in the construction of his latest straw man.
He will be online soon to add more straw.'"
I don't need to add anything, i'm still waiting for an actual quote from GH.
All you've done is reposted my original quote and underlined something that the reporter claimed. It doesn't work like that i'm afraid. |
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"You do realise the part you underlined isn't actually a quote from GH.'"
When has that ever mattered to these jokers? |
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| Quote ="loiner81"I don't need to add anything, i'm still waiting for an actual quote from GH.
All you've done is reposted my original quote and underlined something that the reporter claimed. It doesn't work like that i'm afraid.'"
You just can't leave that straw alone, can you? 
Why does it have to be an actual quote from GH?
Why can't it be an official statement from the club which stated that Segeyaro was looking forward to next season with the Rhinos, which is what Gotcha alluded to earlier?
Would you like me to provide a link to that officially released statement by the club?
A club statement released on 23 Nov 2016 at 10:50am which said, and I quote... [iLeeds Rhinos Chief Executive Gary Hetherington has confirmed that James Segeyaro will remain at the club and is looking forward to next season with the Rhinos.[/i
In light of what the CEO has now said, the above statement on 23 Nov was patently a fabrication.
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It doesn't but it has to be linked to the club, like the quote you've now [ifinally[/i provided below.
The thing is, is that when posters like yourself & Gotcha, who have a very long history of making stuff up, start posting random quotes and stating them as fact then they just can't be taken seriously. The fact that no one on here believes a word you say is your doing and no one else's so to start spitting your dummy out and throwing insults around when you're asked to back something up is just comical.
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A club statement released on 23 Nov 2016 at 10:50am which said, and I quote... [iLeeds Rhinos Chief Executive Gary Hetherington has confirmed that James Segeyaro will remain at the club and is looking forward to next season with the Rhinos.[/i
In light of what the CEO has now said, the above statement on 23 Nov was patently a fabrication.
Feel free to pay another visit to your barn.'"
OK, so he did say that Segeyaro was looking forward to returning. See, it's not hard to provide quotes or links when you're telling the truth, you should try it more in the future.
I wasn't at the meeting but maybe, after GH issued his warnings, that's actually what James or his agent said... even if it was just to get rid of GH so they could go to the beach or whatever.
We'll never know for sure. 
....and even if he didn't then what difference does it make to Segeyaro breaking his contract and refusing to come back this season?
I know you like the word straw but it seems like you're really grasping for some with this i'm afraid. |
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Maybe Hetherington told Segeyaro that he would have to honour his contract and return to the UK and suggested consequences if that did not happen, Segeyaro along with his agent said Ok in order to buy themselves time. From that Heatherington then had the club release the statement to ensure that the return would be smooth.
The only ones who know are the ones in that room. Not all details have been released and whilst Hetheringtons statement is no seen to be incorrect, Segeyaro has been proven to be not altogether honest in his dealings, and his agents comments that have come to light appear to be even worse.
It is just not black and white that on either party's information and we are all making assumptions based on partial information of a meeting between the two
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Doesn't really change anything, whatever the truth of what was discussed. We know that both parties are capable of speaking less than honestly; the impasse between them remains as before.
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So what I said on page 100 that seems to have got certain posters with ants in their pants, Loiner81 after posting usual none related arguments, now accepts it did come from the club. So we are back to page 100. Loiner81 would be better off staying away from debates on here, due to the constant failures that just result in bad mouthing,
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