Isnt the problem there the NRL rules rather than Leeds actions?

He could - but it means moving to the other side of the world, and given the opportunity to earn similar money and stay nearer his family, I don't blame him for wanting to take that option instead - and given it was only a matter of weeks after the deadline, and Leeds are now sorted, Leeds should just let him do that and move on.



Absolutely, but thems the current rules. I don't think Leeds have done anything wrong, I just don't see the point in holding him to task, even though Leeds are well within their rights to do so. Each case should be looked at on merit, and in this case, there's no lasting damage, so move on.

You are correct in assuming Leeds have the Legal and moral high ground and therefore can legally demand a fee, where you are wrong is the fact he missed his notification ( 1st September ) deadline by a couple of months and if that is what you call prompt then lets hope you don't become a time keeper.

He had also carried out his duties from he arrived in the UK until the point of informing Leeds of his intention to walk on on his contract ( Continuation of service ).

The players want to have large long term contracts as they have a short playing career which is fine but this deal has to work both ways employer / employee. If players want short termination contracts say one months notice then fine but I am sure clubs would not be prepared to pay the big dollars.

The main problem is the NRL clubs can pay a lot more then we can and therefore players will be enticed however if clubs don't stand up to this tactic then how many other players will be 'homesick' / retire and then turn up somewhere else for more money.

I did answer the question, that you didn't like the clear answer is your problem.

I might be over simplifying here but until Jan 3rd Segeyaro was given permission to be in Australia by Leeds. Leeds, knowing he wasnt going to return, signed Parcell as a replacement.

Shouldnt Segeyaro's agent have advised him to return to Leeds on Jan 3rd? Leeds would then have had a problem and would probably have ended up releasing Segeyaro to go to Cronulla.

Personally i understand Leeds' stance but realistically the game needs Segeyaro's on the field, we have replaced and moved on so get a deal done with Cronulla asap and let him play. We can keep him out of the game for 2 years but what benefit do Leeds and the sport gain from that?

The benefit is that contracts actually mean something and can't just be ignored. This is of vital importance to the game here. Whilst the game here might miss a player of Segeyaro's quality, the NRL will not.

It's pretty simple for both Segeyaro and Cronulla. If Segeyaro didn't want to stay at Leeds, don't sign the contract, nobody forced him to. If Cronulla want to sign a contracted player then they should do it through the proper channels and pay a transfer fee and not tap him up and try and persuade him to get out of his contract. Something which many NRL clubs have been active at doing over the last 10 or so years.

I agree and thats why i said do a deal asap, im not saying release him, but there is a bigger picture. The last thing we need is to fall out with his agent as he is one of the big players in RL. We also dont want any potential signings thinking if it doesnt work out at Leeds my career will be on hold for duration of my contract.

Its not like we developed Segeyaro and invested time and money in him for a long time. He was a Leeds player for 2 months. He clearly wont play for us again so whats point in not getting a deal done. Clearly 250k is a nonsense and an unobtainable amount.

Leeds are looking to do a deal, that's why they have publicly said that Segeyaro is available for a transfer fee. If he really wants to leave then as I have said before why not say to the Sharks,
I will sign a reduced salary of say £ 60,000 per year on a three year deal and you offer Leeds 180k. ( Sentiment mentioned before not amounts for anyone who goes back and checks posts )

I am pretty sure that doing this he would still be on more than he was here, He gets to pay and play, we get a transfer fee, Sharks get a squad player, happiness all round. Oh hang on though would they be worried he might not honour a three year deal and therefore not worth the risk.

On future overseas players all they have to do is negotiate a release clause that if not happy after x months then they can give notice and leave, oh hang on just like Leeds did with Segeyaro..

If I was cronulla or any other club, would you want to splash out any transfer fee under any circumstances to sign a player who has already renegaded on one contract, what's to say he did agree a smaller salary and cronulla pay a transfer fee then he decides to f*** of again.

I did like it as your evasiveness tended to undermine rather than strengthen your argument. So no problem here.

The trouble is that Leeds have been a soft touch for years and years allowing players to leave for a paltry or no fee at all.Gary Spencer,Craig Innes, Sheridan,Hay,Pratt,Buderus etc.
In the current climate i.e Sale V Cas its about time they made a stand with regard to honouring contracts. The thing about players agents is just a smoke screen,agents are'nt doing their job properly if they hold a petty vendetta against a particular club.

Sheridan, hay and pratt were told to find another club and weren't wanted, so how you could expect a fee I aren't sure

Its the only option he has. Nobody else is willing to pay the necessary amount to employ him.

Well the point is to get the value of their asset rather than giving it away, the lasting damage being to lose their asset for nothing.

The thing is, he doesn't have any option, because Leeds stated very early that he wouldn't be welcome back and his contract had been terminated, but are insisting on a fee for him to play elsewhere - they can't have it both ways in my eyes, either open the door for him to return or let him walk

As for the value of their 'asset' - what value exactly is that now? What is he currently worth to Leeds? They're not going to play him as they have found and signed a replacement, so he's worth nothing to Leeds - and the old adage of something only being worth what someone is willing to pay comes into effect - nobody is willing to pay a fee.

So; throw in the fact that he's not an 'asset', he's a young bloke.... One who understandably decided he doesn't want to move to the other side of the world when he can do the same thing closer to home, better living conditions, better competition, playing with his mates and similar or maybe even better money.... it's obvious why he wants to stay there, and Leeds lose nothing by letting him do so, other than a bit of face - particularly after GH has been so vocal in the press, and I guess that's what it all boils down to. (I'm a massive GH fan by the way - one of the most important members of our club ever - I just think he's taking the wrong route with this one).

As you rightly say if Leeds have terminated his contract but keeping his registration there comes a point where it has echoes that would have upset William Wilberforce.

On the other hand Leeds have suffered here and had to
Pay Manly a fee to get a replacement. Whether cronulla tapped him up or he just wants to play with his mates, Leeds should get something.

With just over 1 month before NRL season starts I reckon an undisclosed fee is coming soon.

If Cronulla really do not want to pay anything having signed Cherrington and not tapped him up, Segeyaro or his agent have made a big error.

I still expect an undisclosed fee, could be 20 grand and a bag of conkers.

He terminated his contract when he said he wasnt going to come back.

His registration is worth £250k

That being the case he shouldnt have taken the security that a 2 year contract with Leeds gave him. It is a two way street. Segeyaro can't expect the benefits, financial and securitywise of a two year deal without the commitment of a two year deal. If he wants to break that deal, he should pay the penalties of doing so.

No it isn't.

It is worth whatever some club or someone is willing to pay for his registration, which is currently Sweet FA.

That also works both ways. Its value is not only what someone is willing to pay, but what the owner is willing to accept.

Its also important to remember that Segeyaros value right now to a buyer is nothing, Will that be the case when NRL clubs find out they cant just get a player to p1ss and moan and get them for free? will that be the case when a club light on hookers loses one to injury? will it be the case closer to the season when Cronulla need to start finalising their squad?

There's a lot of 'wills' in there - whilst waiting for one of those non-guaranteed scenarios to happen, the bloke can't earn.... that's not right

Because he essentially refused to turn up to work.......if people were to do that in normal jobs they wouldn't be earning.

He has chosen not to. Freedom to accept another contract was the opportunity cost of HIS acceptance of his Leeds contract.

They'd be sacked... Have their contract terminated... have a bad reference... but they'd be free to pick up alternative employment in any field immediately. I get rugby league contracts are different, but it still doesn't sit right with me.



Completely get that - but in these circumstances, I still feel that's harsh and would prefer a more understanding approach from Leeds.

Don't expect anyone to come around to my way of thinking, and this sort of situation is always going to get people having different views. I've shared mine, don't think there's much more to add from my point of view. Be interesting to see how it plays out!

Segeyaro is free to go find a job in another field if earning money is the big concern. Ben Barba has been working on a construction site during his suspension, maybe Segeyaro should do that.

I wonder if Leeds would have taken a different stance is Segeyaro didn't say he was isolated and looking at 4 walls. From what he put on twitter and the interaction with his teammates, they went out of their way to help him settle in. Sure that was a kick in the proverbial the club don't want to lay down and take. We've shown in the past (Eastwood) that done the right way from a players point, the club won't hold them for ransom

Superted is Segeyaro ?