...but Senior wouldn't allow it.

You're right though of course.

Get Senior at right centre ( until BJB is fit again ) to partner Smith ( in the unfortunate Hardaker's absence ).
If he doesn't like it .....stick him in the pack.

Any specific examples you'd like to discuss further? I still have the game on Sky and will be happy to join in the debate as to their relevance to his overall performance and/or outcome of the match. For example were any of these missed tackles turning points/momentum shifters?

Failing that I would also like to offer a general observation just as you have done above. Leeds' current problems don't start with Buderus. He still performs at a level most of his team-mates will never achieve.



Noted also that you have no desire to discuss contributions to an overall performance that could be construed as positives, preferring to focus on an, as yet, un-verified negative.

Which missed tackles am I defending? Will you be highlighting when they occurred during Saturday's game? Perhaps then I will defend them - or perhaps I won't defend them - it all depends on whether they had an impact on the play, whether he was supported by his team-mates or hung out to dry, that type of thing. Point them out and we'll take it from there shall we?



I didn't bring up the number of missed tackles either player made on this thread (that would be your goodself) or elsewhere as far as I am aware (I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong), although I did repeat my concerns with regards Watkin's game generally and tackling only forms part of that observation. As this was a thread discussing his performance on the weekend perhaps I'll be allowed some latitude to do so on this occasion. Age and nationalilty are irrelevant to me when appraising individual performances. I highlighted that for once Watkins was in slide defence (and that is progress) only for Hardaker to commit to the wrong man for St Helens opening score. Was there anything more to take encouragment from?



Such criticism by who? A comparison of how they performed in all aspects of the game would be a more balanced approach rather than fixating on one (as yet) poorly defined statistic.



PS, His performances (good and bad) I imagine would be discussed by those interested enough to do so on this forum and that doesn't even require him to play for Leeds.

Whether you agree with tvoc or not, you have to admit he puts a very eloquent argument forward. I enjoy reading your posts old boy, keep it up!!!

Sadly I don't. Can I just clarify before we go any further, do you think that Buderus didn't miss 4 tacklesm or any tackles in last weekends game?

Slurp.

I enjoy them more when they get under your skin...

Does he get nervous in front of the Sky cameras? The reason I ask is, hes obviously rated by some on here but the only time I see him, on sky, he looks woefully out of his depth.

Re the four stated by Opta, I've no idea, do you?

Buderus (after Lauitiiti) certainly missed at least one on the elusive Lomax (who was surprisingly impressive opposite Burrow) as detailed on the other thread. That contribution was intended to be the start of the discussion. Can I have an update on any progress made?

Beyond that I'd have to (and carefully) review the fullish game again.

The missed tackle stat reported by Opta may be demonstrably true (I honestly couldn't say) but in Buderus' case any consequence wasn't that noticeable to me (tries conceded as a direct result, large territory conceded, momentum shifting moment - that type of thing.)

His overall performance IMO more than made up for any inconsequential missed tackle stat on the night with several previously highlighted quality involvements on both attack and defence. One of Leeds' better performers.

Certainly,

Since I last posted I consumed a bacon sandwich, packet of Hula Hoops and a full packet of ginger biscuits. Then I finished reading the Girl Who Kicked the Hornets Nest. BTW, I can heartily recommend the Millennium trilogy of books. Superb intelligent thrillers.

Then I took a nap and started to watch the DVD of the Swedish film of the first of those three books, The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo. I opted to watch with subtitles, rather than dubbing. Wise decision I think. Excellent stand alone film and would recommend it but not a patch on the novel, goes without saying. I dread to think what the soon to be released hollywood re-invention will be like.

Then the wife and daughter came home from gymnastics (the daughter partakes, not the wife, not her thing these days). Watched a bit of TV with the daughter, argued with the wife and refused her offer to cook me tea as a result. Big mistake. It's not easy to cook on one leg and less easy to carry the food from the kitchen to the living room. Apologised to the wife, watched a recording of last night's Tereme then watched the Sopranos. Now I've logged on here. Going to hit the sack soon as I might try and get to work tomorrow (can't drive, will have to be a taxi).

Not worried about Buderus's missed tackles up to this point and this point.

HTH.

I've got you, deep in the heart of me.

And you call yourself a fan G1!?!

Whadda you mean better things to do..........

You don't believe any of the above do you, anymore than anyone would believe I sit and take notes of/at rugby matches. Yeah right ..... as if. I use a dictaphone.

I think most will believe the part about the bacon sandwiches.

Really, I use my finger.

Boom boom.

Young player with exciting talents makes mistakes one week sets world alight the next shocker. Fans fail yo show payience with young player shocker.

Maybe Watkins career path should follow Chev Walker's with an introduction on the wing before he claims a centre position.

I also think that Watkins looks far more competent on the wing at present whereby he isnt directly targetted at defence wise, whilst stood 20 meters in field each set

A bit like the winger for Wigan on Friday - what was his name again? the one you rate so highly based on seeing him play first grade 4/5 times!!

His tackling is not good enough - he dropped off a few today - he doesn't seem to hit at all

Sublime backhanded pass though

For yet another time (far to frequent for my liking) Watkins made another sublime try saving tackle.

He look really comfortable on the wing today and with our current winger drought might be a position we'll see him occupy for a few weeks.

Said all along I thinkhis best positions winger

I think it definitely helped playing outside Ablett - playing him and Hardaker together last week was a huge error IMO

I agree, though I hate him taking the ball up in our 20 metre zone with his loose style of carry.
His jumping to take the kicks for his tries was excellent & his pace is good too.
Leave him there for him to get more experience at this level.

Playing against Luke George will, by default, make you look good.

whats the difference between a wise man and a fool

a fool never learns from his mistakes.

I dissagree. He's a centre and he is playing wing because we have a lack of options at the moment.

Play him at centre whenever possible and let him learn there. It would be a tremendous waste of talent if this kid was pigeon holed into been a future winger now instead.

I agree in that i see him as a centre rather than winger. Would still like to see him at the left centre though