I should imagine that when you're talking to a player's agent, the "dossier" consists largely of a piece of paper with a " £ " symbol written on it, followed by a number.

Incidentally, the museum quarter in Hull is very good too. Free entry and all.

Adam Pearson is moving Hull in the right direction but it took Simon Moran at Warrington around 5 years at least to get them to the top of the table. Ellis hasn't got that kind of time if he wants to win things.

People who choose to post rumours don't need any help from me in that regard.

IF it's RL or Rhinos related what's the problem with it?

I don't have a problem with it and most of our rumours eventually turn out to be correct! Let's hope that Frostie is as reliable as usual with the Ellis signing.

In a world without a salary cap (and allowing for financial prudence) I would have gaz back in a heartbeat, but I suspect he will be looking for a sizeable salary package. Whilst I think he has earner the right to be amongst, if not the best paid player in the league I wouldn't want that to be at a cost to the young and exciting squad we are building. Would signing ellis prevent us for example from enhancing the salararies of players like BJB hardaker and Watkins a couple of years down the line. If his signing in a position we are not exactly short on cause these kind of dilemas I would rather it became another clubs problem (assuming that is that other clubs actually bother with the cap) after all we have managed reasonably well since he left.

No. If the cap is a problem then resiging Delaney, and to an extent (although done much earlier) new contract for Kirke, are what would stop enhancing others contracts. You don't turn down someone better than anyone you have in his position, because you have shot your load too early with others.

yes but the club are where they are. Unless there has been some behind closed doors discussions some time ago Ellis appearing on the market was unforeseeable. We have contracts in place with the squad, rightly or wrongly in each case and now have to work within that constraint, signing any marquee player shouldnt be the detriment of the entire squad.

For what its worth I suspect in reality we do have enough cap space given buderus has left togther with cross and burgess and been replaced by griffin and moore (on presumably broadly the same as cross and burgess respectively) on that basis we may have buderus type money to spend on ellis. Only GH and PC know how much wriggle room we actually have and Ill continue to trust their judgement.

and we have plenty o.o.c. next season. loads of room to play with

Howabout a 2 year deal with us that gives him a decent salary and the chance of winning something, and tacked on the bottom of that Agreement, a 2 year deal with Cas that allows him to satisfy his personal wishes?

My sources are suggesting that Mr Ellis will be signing for the Black & White book burners on 'umbersard on his return to Blighty.

I hope your sources are not as reliable as Frosties (along with others) who has been confident that Ellis would be coming back to the Rhinos! If he does not want to sign for the World Champions do you think GH has got someone else lined up to please the fans?

Personally hope he hasn't got someone lined up to please the fans, but to benifited the team.
Not seen any OOC threads yet so not sure who is available next year either here or NRL

Gaz would be a great player to have back on board at the club without a doubt, He would almost be a luxury signing.

If we don't happen to re sign Gaz then so be it, as it won't weaken what we already have in place at present at the club

IMO we don't need to panic if we don't get him back, and then just go out and sign someone else instead.

I have complete faith in our junior players like Ward and Singleton who are chomping at the bit in the U20's and are clearly able to make the grade at SL level and very quickly too

Agree, and off top of my head not sure which position we need a signing in

Stevie Ward is that close to a first team shot IMO from what i have seen so far in this seasons U20's, although i believe that he will ultimately be our next 13 and not a 6 as he is presently plying his trade

Still the best academy player that i have seen and at any club in the past 10 years

That's a very big call. I rate Ward highly but John Bateman was certainly better than him in the England game at Leigh. I would throw Matty Russell, Sam Tomkins and Kyle Eastmond if you're talking about a 10 year period. I'd also add Rhys Evans to that list.

I do think Ward will be a 13.

I think we both agree regarding Wards talents Mr Rogues, I guess that only time will tell exactly how good he eventually becomes

Must admit i also like the look of Bateman too, he has also got the world at his feet

Got a rubbish hairdo though

Good.....let's sign somebody decent then (and young)

So how long do you hold out for "some one better", and what if they never even become available?

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OOC dates for players in both ESL and NRL are available. That's when GH earns his money by identifying a player who can provide added quality to the squad where GH in consultation with BMc thinks a position can be strengthened. Ellis is world class and if we sign him will be a bonus as the Rhinos are not under strength in that area but he will still add quality to the team.

"we shall be looking to youth for improvements to the squad"

Ellis has signed for Hull FC! obviously a cash choice.

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