Agreed that anything less than a top 4 finish is a failure. A top 3 finish would show we are moving in the right direction.

The thing is it's where a club of our size, facilities and spending power should be (top 4 as a minimum), but, it needs to be earned on and off the park and we've not earned it for too long. We eat humble pie until we get our backsides back to something like.

It will be interesting to see how the likes of Leigh and Salford do. Leigh have had to go through a rebuild and Salford look like they'll lose at least a couple of their best players.

thing is, you can't continually lose your best players every year and do well. salford will be lower mid table for me

Yeh Salford keep proving the doubters wrong, but I think they'll be bottom 4. Top 4 - Wigan, Wire, Saints, HKR Middle 4 - Leeds, Cats, Leigh, Hull Bottom 4 - Salford, Hudds, Wakey, Cas Not sure about exact positions (apart from Wigan and Cas), but that's how I see it panning out.

[quote="Simmo71":qgkrmd7k]Yeh Salford keep proving the doubters wrong, but I think they'll be bottom 4. Top 4 - Wigan, Wire, Saints, HKR Middle 4 - Leeds, Cats, Leigh, Hull Bottom 4 - Salford, Hudds, Wakey, Cas Not sure about exact positions (apart from Wigan and Cas), but that's how I see it panning out.[/quote:qgkrmd7k] Swap hull with one of the bottom 4 I think.