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| Quote ="MGarbutt1986"Begum left the UK to join a terrorist group, she ceased to be a british subject at that point.'"
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Quote ="MGarbutt1986"Really, thatis why she had her status revoked?'"
Seems a bit tenuous.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... be-stopped
But anyway I'd be more for bringing her back to face trial. I'm sure she might also have useful information that might help the fight against ISIS and extremism too. How was she radicalised? Who did it? Who did she contact to make her journey? Who met her and who did she interact with while she was in Syria?
Leaving her over there to rot doesn't really answer those questions.
There's also the fact that as a UK citizen she's our responsibility. It sets a precedent if we wash our hands of her. What if other countries start doing the same. We could end up with loads of stateless terrorists wandering around that nobody is watching.
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Quote ="MGarbutt1986"Really, thatis why she had her status revoked?'"
Seems a bit tenuous.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... be-stopped
But anyway I'd be more for bringing her back to face trial. I'm sure she might also have useful information that might help the fight against ISIS and extremism too. How was she radicalised? Who did it? Who did she contact to make her journey? Who met her and who did she interact with while she was in Syria?
Leaving her over there to rot doesn't really answer those questions.
There's also the fact that as a UK citizen she's our responsibility. It sets a precedent if we wash our hands of her. What if other countries start doing the same. We could end up with loads of stateless terrorists wandering around that nobody is watching.
I'm not keen on Diane Abbott because of issues of presentation rather than substance and on this issue I think it's better to consider the implications rather than make a knee jerk decision, on that she's correct. | |
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loads of grey areas, but serious political parties have gone to the extreme of their side, and the Limp Dems have all but disappeared! |
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shes the biggest danger to this country in years, cannot believe she actually holds a seat, her and corbyn like laurel and hardy, hold on that's wrong there worse, so glad there will never ever be in charge
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I mock Diane Abbott because she's stupid, racist and anti-UK, and yet she sits on the front bench of the opposition because she showed Corbyn a good time about 30 years ago.
I respect her achievements in her early career, but for over a decade she's been nothing but a mumbling shambles.
Interviewer: "so, Diane, what did you have for breakfast?"
Abbott: *deep breath* "what...I...am...saying [i*pause*[/i ...is... [i*make a brew*[/i ...that... I belieeeeeeeeve... [i*sigh*[/i breakfast is subjective...HOWEVER...calling a meal a great British fry-up is typical of a colonial mindset and reinforces white privilege in this country."
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TIDIED TO REMOVE THE NAME CALLING. PLEASE KEEP IT CIVIL PEOPLE.
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There was no name calling in either mine or Cronus' most recent posts on this thread - why have they been removed?
Christ - the one part of the whole forum when you can have a decent dust-up, and it just got raided by the 5-0... |
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Christ - the one part of the whole forum when you can have a decent dust-up, and it just got raided by the 5-0...'"
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As I explained to bren2k by PM. I selected the thread from the first occurrence of name calling to the end and removed it. It was predominantly name calling which added nothing to any discussion.
I then unlocked the thread to allow civil discussion to continue.
I have not removed any posts from the earlier part of the thread, regardless of the viewpoint expressed.
Your criticism is therefore patently unfounded. This once I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that it wasn’t criticism of the moderation process, I hope that you can respect my decision.
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Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"A great video on how incompetent Dominic Raab is. You will find very little criticism of him on social media or discussion forums as he is a white middle class male as opposed to a black working class female.
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https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1109110453073047553?s=21'"
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https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1109110453073047553?s=21'"
A black female who is an alumni of Cambridge University.She does not reside in the area of London for which she was elected - a working class area.She does not allow her son to attend a school in that area - nor any state school as he is privately educated.
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https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1109110453073047553?s=21'"
A black female who is an alumni of Cambridge University.She does not reside in the area of London for which she was elected - a working class area.She does not allow her son to attend a school in that area - nor any state school as he is privately educated.
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She is less working class than Baroness Scotland.'"
Don't be bringing facts into it, the Labour Left don't like facts. |
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I don't like Diane Abbot because she, like all champagne socialist is a hypocrite of the highest order. She stands on manifestos that include eradicating private education yet sends her kids to one. Bit too much animal farm about her. You know, we are all equal but some are more equal than others. Nothing to do with her skin colour or gender.
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"I don't like Diane Abbot because she, like all champagne socialist is a hypocrite of the highest order. She stands on manifestos that include eradicating private education yet sends her kids to one. Bit too much animal farm about her. You know, we are all equal but some are more equal than others. Nothing to do with her skin colour or gender.'"
I believe the manifesto she stood on actually said it would remove charity status from private schools and charge them VAT like any other business. How the likes of Eton can be classed as a charity is outrageous.
If Diane Abbott or any other labour mp sends their children to private school, they would lose out financially as a result of the proposed labour changes. Does that make them a hypocrite? No, it simply means they don’t always act in their own personal best interests. Would you rather all mp’s only acted selfishly looking after their own interests at all times. |
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"I believe the manifesto she stood on actually said it would remove charity status from private schools and charge them VAT like any other business. How the likes of Eton can be classed as a charity is outrageous.
If Diane Abbott or any other labour mp sends their children to private school, they would lose out financially as a result of the proposed labour changes. Does that make them a hypocrite? No, it simply means they don’t always act in their own personal best interests. Would you rather all mp’s only acted selfishly looking after their own interests at all times.'"
Sorry mate you're wrong. Google Diane Abbott private school. Even she admits what she did was indefensible. Like I said hypocrite of the highest order. Socialist when it suits them and the politics of envy |
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"Sorry mate you're wrong. Google Diane Abbott private school. Even she admits what she did was indefensible. Like I said hypocrite of the highest order. Socialist when it suits them and the politics of envy'"
socialist, with a small s, I don't think it's politics of envy, I just think it's misguided thinking. but that is politics for you, you either agree with one argument or you don't, there is very little middle ground at the moment. |
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| Quote ="MGarbutt1986"socialist, with a small s, I don't think it's politics of envy, I just think it's misguided thinking. but that is politics for you, you either agree with one argument or you don't, there is very little middle ground at the moment.'"
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Liz Truss, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, just said Clarke's customs union "lost by more [than May's deal and people are still trying to bring that back".
Except it didn't. It lost by less (6 vote defeat to May's 58 vote defeat).
This inability to look at numbers and do a simple subtraction, votes for minus votes against, is staggering.
Will Liz Truss, the daughter of a University Professor in Mathematics, face the same scrutiny as Diane Abbott when she got her numbers wrong?
Will she be attacked in the main stream media, on social media and have a multi page thread about her on the sin bin? No, been a white conservative means she is able to get off Scott free.
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Except it didn't. It lost by less (6 vote defeat to May's 58 vote defeat).
This inability to look at numbers and do a simple subtraction, votes for minus votes against, is staggering.
Will Liz Truss, the daughter of a University Professor in Mathematics, face the same scrutiny as Diane Abbott when she got her numbers wrong?
Will she be attacked in the main stream media, on social media and have a multi page thread about her on the sin bin? No, been a white conservative means she is able to get off Scott free.
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Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Liz Truss, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, just said Clarke's customs union "lost by more [than May's deal and people are still trying to bring that back".
Except it didn't. It lost by less (6 vote defeat to May's 58 vote defeat).
This inability to look at numbers and do a simple subtraction, votes for minus votes against, is staggering.
Will Liz Truss, the daughter of a University Professor in Mathematics, face the same scrutiny as Diane Abbott when she got her numbers wrong?
Will she be attacked in the main stream media, on social media and have a multi page thread about her on the sin bin? No, been a white conservative means she is able to get off Scott free.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.redd ... s_customs/'"
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Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Liz Truss, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, just said Clarke's customs union "lost by more [than May's deal and people are still trying to bring that back".
Except it didn't. It lost by less (6 vote defeat to May's 58 vote defeat).
This inability to look at numbers and do a simple subtraction, votes for minus votes against, is staggering.
Will Liz Truss, the daughter of a University Professor in Mathematics, face the same scrutiny as Diane Abbott when she got her numbers wrong?
Will she be attacked in the main stream media, on social media and have a multi page thread about her on the sin bin? No, been a white conservative means she is able to get off Scott free.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.redd ... s_customs/'"
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"Liz Truss, Chief Secretary to the Treasury,"
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