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| Quote ="little wayne69"Did the Tories get in with a huge majority, if so there must be a lot of wannabes around.'"
All those dreamers in the 'red wall'. Let's hope they all get what they're after. Good and hard.
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| Quote ="IR80"Nope, wrong (again, and as usual) you keep barking, someone may throw you a bone, I just hope you have been neutered, although I imagine your 'personality'sees to that!'"
Are you for real
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Are you for real
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| Noises coming form No 10 suggesting that, apparently there will be no return to Austerity and that they (the Government) are going to increase borrowing to get us through the impending recession.
Doe this mean that lessons have bean learnt or, have they actually decided that Corbyn's plans to increase spending and borrowing to stimulate the ecconomy were not such a bad idea after all.
Poor Jeremy was slaughtered accross all media for suggesting this type of "big government" but, Rishi, the new blue eyed, true blue, poster boy can do no wrong. There is even talk of increasing tax for the most well off ??
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| We all know however that what he says is not what he actually does. It will be austerity but he will not allow it to be referred to as austerity. I see he is trying to get fit so he can run away from any reporters in the future.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"We all know however that what he says is not what he actually does. It will be austerity but he will not allow it to be referred to as austerity. I see he is trying to get fit so he can run away from any reporters in the future.'"
Getting fit, what a load of nonsense. Almost managing a single "press up" for the cameras is a long wat from fit.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Getting fit, what a load of nonsense. Almost managing a single "press up" for the cameras is a long wat from fit.
Not fit and not fit to govern !'"
Absolutely ridiculous. Spitting in the face all of those who have succumbed to the virus by insinuating they weren’t “fit” enough.
Worst PM in history -and that’s saying something when you look at his two predecessors.
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| [list[/list:u Quote ="Willzay"Absolutely ridiculous. Spitting in the face all of those who have succumbed to the virus by insinuating they weren’t “fit” enough.
[uWorst PM in history[/u -and that’s saying something when you look at his two predecessors.'"
Remember them all do yer?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Noises coming form No 10 suggesting that, apparently there will be no return to Austerity and that they (the Government) are going to increase borrowing to get us through the impending recession.
Doe this mean that lessons have bean learnt or, have they actually decided that Corbyn's plans to increase spending and borrowing to stimulate the ecconomy were not such a bad idea after all.
Poor Jeremy was slaughtered accross all media for suggesting this type of "big government" but, Rishi, the new blue eyed, true blue, poster boy can do no wrong. There is even talk of increasing tax for the most well off ??'"
Just think what the borrowing would have been if Labour had rolled out free Wi-Fi, renationalised utilites, telephones and trains, its green initiative, Waspi women, council housing etc and then we had Covid - the current numbers would have been a drop in the ocean compared to Jeremy and John's spending!!
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| Quote ="Willzay"Absolutely ridiculous. Spitting in the face all of those who have succumbed to the virus by insinuating they weren’t “fit” enough.
Worst PM in history -and that’s saying something when you look at his two predecessors.'"
Compared to Brown and Callaghan he is genius - and I agree he has been a disgrace.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Compared to Brown and Callaghan he is genius - and I agree he has been a disgrace.'"
Poor as Callaghan and Brown may have been, our current PM is bloody dire.
Not content with duping the general public, he has now started replacing impartial civil servants with inexperienced stooges from his group of friends.
Credit where it's due, even his windbag predecessor got into Gove's ribs over there and apparently, "experience isn't important in national security, just as long as you tell the truth"
What an utter joke.
Clown PM and his cabinet are throwing buckets of feathers around for fun.
Look out, he's behind you
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Poor as Callaghan and Brown may have been, our current PM is bloody dire.
Not content with duping the general public, he has now started replacing impartial civil servants with inexperienced stooges from his group of friends.
Credit where it's due, even his windbag predecessor got into Gove's ribs over there and apparently, "experience isn't important in national security, just as long as you tell the truth"
What an utter joke.
Clown PM and his cabinet are throwing buckets of feathers around for fun.
Look out, he's behind you
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I completely agree that Johnson is a disgrace but we are able to get our bins emptied and bury our dead!!
May needs to be careful - she used the civil service to try and undermine the Brexit vote and blame them for the windrush!!. Perhaps her loyalty is misplaced.
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| You can bury your dead but you do have to wait sometime and then limit the numbers to 10, stand outside, go in with the coffin, sit down for a maximum of 15 minutes then leave and not loiter because the next one is ready to go in. You can get your bin emptied every two weeks but not until recently garden waste was not collected and refuse sites were closed, so not a lot different.
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| To use “whack-a-mole” as a strategy against a deadly virus - it’s just another day wondering how anyone thought BJ was a credible candidate to be a PM.
“At least it isn’t Corbyn”.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"You can bury your dead but you do have to wait sometime and then limit the numbers to 10, stand outside, go in with the coffin, sit down for a maximum of 15 minutes then leave and not loiter because the next one is ready to go in. You can get your bin emptied every two weeks but not until recently garden waste was not collected and refuse sites were closed, so not a lot different.'"
Not one bin collection of any kind missed at this end & refuse sites opened from end of April
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"You can bury your dead but you do have to wait sometime and then limit the numbers to 10, stand outside, go in with the coffin, sit down for a maximum of 15 minutes then leave and not loiter because the next one is ready to go in. You can get your bin emptied every two weeks but not until recently garden waste was not collected and refuse sites were closed, so not a lot different.'"
Never missed a bin collection including garden waste and recycling - refuse sites open - we didn't see the pile up of rubbish we did before Callaghan departed and the unions got a reality check and as you said you can bury your dead - the numbers have nothing to do with the process of burial.
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| Quote ="Willzay"To use “whack-a-mole” as a strategy against a deadly virus - it’s just another day wondering how anyone thought BJ was a credible candidate to be a PM.
“At least it isn’t Corbyn”.'"
I think there is a lot in that - plus the voters telling MPs who is boss - we voted to leave, the MPs tried to stop it, the population told them who holds the power.
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| The bulk of MPs didnt try and stop Brexit. Brexit was never defined in 2016 so the arguments in Westminster were all about the fight between a hard and soft Brexit. The 48/52 result suggests that the softer version would have satisfied the max number of voters. Instead we are heading for a more extreme version and as a consequence we are still a divided nation.
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| Quote ="silver2"The bulk of MPs didnt try and stop Brexit. Brexit was never defined in 2016 so the arguments in Westminster were all about the fight between a hard and soft Brexit. The 48/52 result suggests that the softer version would have satisfied the max number of voters. Instead we are heading for a more extreme version and as a consequence we are still a divided nation.'"
Not even that but the leavers very much told us that we would be having a soft Brexit - "Norwegian style" they said, "no suggestion of leaving the single market" they said. Since then the lunatic fringe have taken over and have retroactively claimed that a hard Brexit or no-deal Brexit is the only way of fulfilling the vote - a vote they would not have won if they'd been clear on this point. But they lie and lie again about "the will of the people" being obstructed to secure their extremist ideological ends and have no care for what damage it will do to millions of people and thousands of businesses in this country.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Not even that but the leavers very much told us that we would be having a soft Brexit - "Norwegian style" they said, "no suggestion of leaving the single market" they said. Since then the lunatic fringe have taken over and have retroactively claimed that a hard Brexit or no-deal Brexit is the only way of fulfilling the vote - a vote they would not have won if they'd been clear on this point. But they lie and lie again about "the will of the people" being obstructed to secure their extremist ideological ends and have no care for what damage it will do to millions of people and thousands of businesses in this country.'"
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| Quote ="IR80"stop peddling YOUR opinion as fact...'"
What was it that Johnson said in regard to business?
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Quote ="King Street Cat"What was it that Johnson said in regard to business?'"
In addition to his infamous ‘f business’, it is interesting to see ‘Big businesses are often the enemy of the of the public interest’ in the original Vote Leave prospectus.
www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/bri ... wdeal.html
It is a fascinating (to me anyway) document. I doubt I would have recognised Cummings’ name or face at the time of the 2016 referendum, but I suspect he wrote the entire thing. It focuses very closely on the themes of his agenda: innovation, efficiency, adaptability and experimentation, and accelerating change. There’s a lot I could easily get on board with, in principle - while wondering about the naive optimism of some of the leaps. On the other hand, while the credit he claims for the Leave victory is perhaps justified in terms of the slogans, I reckon his obsessions are very much not those of the common or garden brexiteer. Indeed many of them would be instinctively against them, including the Farage-Francois types. His radical agenda won the day, sort of, but was underpinned by votes from a very conservative demographic - hence the struggle to construct a coherent plan for Brexit and post-Brexit Britain.
While I think he would have still run up against the roadblock of reality, it’d have been interesting to see what he could have done with the support of competent people in power who shared his vision.
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Quote ="King Street Cat"What was it that Johnson said in regard to business?'"
In addition to his infamous ‘f business’, it is interesting to see ‘Big businesses are often the enemy of the of the public interest’ in the original Vote Leave prospectus.
www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/bri ... wdeal.html
It is a fascinating (to me anyway) document. I doubt I would have recognised Cummings’ name or face at the time of the 2016 referendum, but I suspect he wrote the entire thing. It focuses very closely on the themes of his agenda: innovation, efficiency, adaptability and experimentation, and accelerating change. There’s a lot I could easily get on board with, in principle - while wondering about the naive optimism of some of the leaps. On the other hand, while the credit he claims for the Leave victory is perhaps justified in terms of the slogans, I reckon his obsessions are very much not those of the common or garden brexiteer. Indeed many of them would be instinctively against them, including the Farage-Francois types. His radical agenda won the day, sort of, but was underpinned by votes from a very conservative demographic - hence the struggle to construct a coherent plan for Brexit and post-Brexit Britain.
While I think he would have still run up against the roadblock of reality, it’d have been interesting to see what he could have done with the support of competent people in power who shared his vision.
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| There's no promised land. Well, there is for Johnson. Brexit was just his vehicle to get his turn in No. 10. A turn he believed was his birthright. He never really wanted to own Brexit. I'm pretty sure he'd rather be PM without all this deal or no deal nonsense. I think he'd take a double pandemic over Brexit negotiations! Especially when they are about making sure nobody is inconvenienced by the mess the silly sod has made along the way.
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| Let’s face it he will fall back onto his tried and tested method of just lying because he knows there are many gullible believers in the country. The Brexit disaster will be down to the cost of the pandemic. It will be interesting to see who recovers quicker from the recession US or the EU.
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