The majority that will have to live with the outcome when when the huge majority of the small majority who voted leave are in the ground creating oil?

The EU needed reform, now we're again the sick man of Europe.

But I expect nothing less of supporters of RL on the whole, a sad day.

Question: since when does being under 35 make you or your vote any more significant or superior?
Answer: it doesn't.

Out of interest, what was the yoof turnout?

We all knew there would be a short-term shock. Calm down, have a cup of tea and watch Dad's Army.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36574526 Anyone wanting to know the turnout demographic can google it, widely available. And, if I had my way, there would be an upper limit on voting, or a basic IQ test.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36574526 Anyone wanting to know the turnout demographic can google it, widely available. And, if I had my way, there would be an upper limit on voting, or a basic IQ test.

I confess to failing to find the answer. We can see turnout was lower in areas with more young people, but no numbers are given. Perhaps it's too early.

So - any idea what the turnout for the youth vote was?

In 2014 the turnout for 18-24s was 43%.

I hope - given that their votes should apparently count for more than anyone else - they turned out in force.

What a childish statement. Don't you think older people may have wisdom through experience? Why on Earth has it screwed people under 35?Name any way. It's the people in their last 10 years of working life that will be most affected if there is any short-term economic hit or affect on stock markets. For young people they have all to play for to make their way in the globalised world. They are the ones with most to gain and must make it happen.

As to EU, Tories, Labour to blame for no positive growth in most people's living standards over last 10 years, they are not to blame. It is all due to the rise of China and Far Eastern economies. That's why it's better out to try to get away from protectionism and get our sleeves rolled up. I have every faith that our younger generations will take advantage of the golden opportunity they have been gifted by the wisdom of their elders.

What we need now is a charismatic, unifying, tough negotiating PM to get us through the exit process and galvanise the population behind a vision of the future. Quite where we'll get that from giving the abject characters who infest our major parties I don't know. Therein lies an issue. Let's hope that cometh the hour cometh the man/ woman - which has happened before at key moments in our history. Let's be positive. Thus is an historic moment and should be celebrated as such.

Celebrate, a bunch of old timers with prejudice at their core?

I'll leave ths thread here, because it's the usual subjects spouting anti Conservative rubbish wirh no basis in fact, only 34% of the population even voted, because most of us know , neither side have provided many facts. Luckily for most leave voters they will not be around to suffer the repercussions, I just hope their kids can forgive them.

As Robinson has posted, this has become a parody of itself.

Growing up in an undemocratic EU, how is that screwing young people, eventually you'll be standing outside their graves thanking them.

Only 6% of our business is with the EU too

Only 34% voted ?

That's because it's quite difficult to provide facts of things that haven't happened yet

This is the kind of sneering, arrogant attitude that people turned out in droves to vote against.

IIRC roughly 35% of the population over 18 voted for Brexit, I assume that's what he means.

The challenge for the victors now is that they drew on support from opposite ends of the political spectrum. Groups that have been politically marginalised, who shared an antipathy to the EU and centrist metropolitan political views, but will be divided about what this new dawn should look like.

Millions voted for protectionism, believing that migrant labour was depressing their pay, undermining their protections and limiting their opportunities. While on the other hand, there are those who want scrap the Brussels regulations to ensure we have a more 'flexible' labour market, in which it is easier to hire (and the unspoken but obvious extension, fire) workers.

Good luck riding those two horses Boris!

And now a little rhyme .... regarding the economy.
Brexit,
wrecks it!

The BREXIT camp never hid away from the fact that if they won, that there would be the initial crash.

Or at least i was certainly aware of it before it happened.

It'll have a negative economic impact, but I don't think it'll be that bad.

There are things that I would pay an economic price for. This particular issue of sovereignty, wasn't one - but it clearly was for a lot of people.

There are also some sacrifices I'd make just as a kind of dirty protest. Again this wasn't one, but it was the one on offer and a lot of people don't have very much of a stake in the economy.

For many (not all!) it was a chance to express anger. And that anger is often justified, though widely misdirected. IMO.

Quote ="Wire Yed"The BREXIT camp never hid away from the fact that if they won, that there would be the initial crash. Or at least i was certainly aware of it before it happened.'" What is your definition of initial ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36626201 As this is clear evidence that we are looking at least 2 to 3 years of low growth and even a recession in three years. That would take a couple of years to get out of. Is five years initial crash

Quote ="Wire Yed"The BREXIT camp never hid away from the fact that if they won, that there would be the initial crash. Or at least i was certainly aware of it before it happened.'" What is your definition of initial ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36626201 As this is clear evidence that we are looking at least 2 to 3 years of low growth and even a recession in three years. That would take a couple of years to get out of. Is five years initial crash

Quote ="Durham Giant"What is your definition of initial ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36626201 As this is clear evidence that we are looking at least 2 to 3 years of low growth and even a recession in three years. That would take a couple of years to get out of. Is five years initial crash'" That's more downturn than crash. Semantics, I know. And I agree, it'll be prolonged (though the amount attributable to this will be difficult to measure). Revolutions generally end in disappointment. And that will be inevitable and immediate for lots of Leave voters, when they see the extent and direction of the changes. Still, at least it'll be British fists, eh?

Quote ="Durham Giant"What is your definition of initial ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36626201 As this is clear evidence that we are looking at least 2 to 3 years of low growth and even a recession in three years. That would take a couple of years to get out of. Is five years initial crash'" That's more downturn than crash. Semantics, I know. And I agree, it'll be prolonged (though the amount attributable to this will be difficult to measure). Revolutions generally end in disappointment. And that will be inevitable and immediate for lots of Leave voters, when they see the extent and direction of the changes. Still, at least it'll be British fists, eh?

I agree about the semantic definition but the Brexiters gave the impression as does yed that there will, be an initial crash then we will find the land of milk and honey.

Unfortunately there will be a lot of time in the wilderness before we come out the other side.

We will just enquire if we go back in again in fifty years .... assuming the EU still exists and there is still mankind.
Unless there is an article that says that you can only join once.

im under 35 and voted leave

maybe the older generation remember what it used to be like to live in this country compared to what it is now....also what the failing EU became was also not what they voted for, i salute the older generation for once giving my generation a chance.

would you believe that westminter, chelsea and the city of london were among the highest percentage votes to remain... hmm they dont live in the real world

Someone else who knows what I'm thinking



Seriously i have been extremely civil, both here and in other places and I'm constantly being told by people the reason i voted were x
I think y
I support z

I'm done with it absolutely done, i have no doubt and under no illusion that some very unsavoury people also voted out, but to be accused of being a xenophobic racist rightwinger is laughable.

I'm a fkin hummus eating vegetarian Green party supporter ffs but because i don't like the EU system I'm somehow on the wrong side of this amazing moral compass the Remainers have, now I'm getting some hessian wearing dreadlocked fk nugget calling me a fascist even though I voted against the EU because it is inherently undemocratic....you couldn't make this stuff up

Except for the first sentence that wasn't aimed directly at you DG, forums elsewhere and FB.

Apology accepted.

I oppose the EU from a much further left wing position than you.

BUT

The options we faced by leaving economically

AND

the tone of the debate (immigrants)


Have potentially set the country down a very dangerous route.

I also don't think that people are saying that all leavers are racists and xenophobia

BUT

It is clear that many were persuaded by racist arguments .

Go back and look at the number of interviews on Tv about why people were leaving especially in working class areas and the issue they wanted too deal with was. immigrants.

The leave campaign was very very clever. Farage acting like goeebels pushing the racist xenophobic little englanders agenda appealing to the disenfranchised voters that labour has ignored for 30 years whilst the respectable leavers talking about some high faulting notions of sovereignty appealed to the Tory shires.

If you really want to talk about getting our country back from unelected, unsociable beauracrats why was no one talking about those multinational entities that don't pay the taxes they should which could be used to fund the nhs like the banks, Amazon and Google.

By giving them free reign we are surrendering our sovereignty ina far worse way than economic union in the EU does.

So who will be our next PM and how are they going to balance the conflicting interests within our fractured society? Boris Johnson has blown things. He expected and hoped to lose and then win the Tory party election for leadership from the Euroscepric party faithful because he'd stood on Leave platform previously. Now if he gets the job he won't have a successful premiership / legacy as he'll be sorting out the exit. BoJo biggest loser here. Expect May to be PM but she'll be a disaster.

I consider myself a young(ish) voter, and I voted to leave. Calling anyone who voted to leave a racist, or xenophobe is exactly why we're in this situation. There has been a large minority of anti eu, anti-immigration sentiment in this country for a long time, and instead of addressing this with a legitimate, reasoned debate, these people were arrogantly dismissed by the political elite, and the regressive left. Now the crazies on the right of the Tory party now have a genuine mandate to push their agenda. Frankly, I would like to see an end to the whole EU project, and the (non) free trade agreements that underpin it, and consolidate the power of corporations, and bureaucrats.

Now if Corbyn had stuck to his principles instead of pandering to the dogmatic Blairites and backed the leave camp he could've shifted the debate away from immigration, and not alienated many of the 18-30 voters who got him elected in the first place. and he'd have been in a strong position to challenge the Torries.

I see 'Lord' Hill has resigned as the UK EU commissioner. I wonder how many people knew who he was before today? It's another example of the opaque undemocratic nature of the EU. The EU Commissioner is one of the most powerful, and important positions within the EU, yet it's a position given to a peer, selected by other peers.

A prolonged period of uncertainty is inevitable, but to say that we're doomed economically is a gross exaggeration. It's not as if the EU is a economic utopia. It's more resembling of a dystopia in terms of economic fundamentals. In fact as we've seen in Greece, the EU are more concerned about making an example of a member nation for making a fool of them than it is with enduring they make the economically correct choices that would benefit not just Greece, but the whole EU project. I don't think it's the kind of organisation we should be throwing our weight behind.