I note that I am still waiting your reply to the above.

With regards your somewhat inaccurate statement regarding the position of the Labour Party I would remind you that it is their leader who is currently leading in the polls over the lazy lying PM whose only success is to blame others.
The Conservatives are responsible for the Windrush debacle which not surprisingly they have still not resolved including Priti Patel despite one of the famous altered reports that was produced highlighting the number of errors. The government are of course good at burying, changing or just ignoring any report they don’t like.
Russia - Still to be released
BAME - Large parts not released
SAGE Minutes- Many not released and those that were heavily redacted
2016 Pandemic Report Preparation- Buried
Brexit Impact - Buried

What has happened to Domonic Raab, has he moved in to the Rees Mogg "bubble"

..and here we have a good example of how much our childrens knowledge and understanding will suffer from missing so much schooling.

After weeks of the majority of the population either on furlough or out of work and therefore struggling financially what is Johnson’s economic idea, it is none other than the Vivian Nicholson principle “spend, spend spend”. That will help with personal debt when many have been struggling. I suppose he was not referring to those his party left behind.

Patel may be better placed in ensuring that her own party carry out their review on racism within her own party, you know, the review on Islamophobia, that has now been broadened to cover all types of racism ??
Do you think this will actually happen and if so, will it happen in this parliamentary term ??

Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Our track and trace with regards the app is different from the majority of European countries who use a system produced by Apple and Android which is harder to hack because the information is located deep in your phone. The government’s system uses a central unit to store people’s details and currently relies more on the individual rather than technology. I regret that the actions of the government and their employees have generated a lot of mistrust by the way they have handled the pandemic thereby increasing the populations doubt what they say about track and trace details.'" Seems like the state of the Art, cutting edge , world beating track and trace Technology we were promised by Boris should be ready by WINTER. still no doubt the usual suspects will be along to tell us that Boris is doing a great job on Covid and That we are all a Bunch of whiners . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53083340

Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Our track and trace with regards the app is different from the majority of European countries who use a system produced by Apple and Android which is harder to hack because the information is located deep in your phone. The government’s system uses a central unit to store people’s details and currently relies more on the individual rather than technology. I regret that the actions of the government and their employees have generated a lot of mistrust by the way they have handled the pandemic thereby increasing the populations doubt what they say about track and trace details.'" Seems like the state of the Art, cutting edge , world beating track and trace Technology we were promised by Boris should be ready by WINTER. still no doubt the usual suspects will be along to tell us that Boris is doing a great job on Covid and That we are all a Bunch of whiners . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53083340

They have found a way around the app which requires each individual when they go out ask anyone close by their mobile number should they test positive on that day. I know it would be stupid but without the app this is the only way for the system to work correctly.

I just hope that Boris reads this forum.
He will be taking your idea on and proclaiming that he has solve the problem for us





I find it difficult to understand why the Tories aren't getting slaughtered for their incompetence on this.
They have tried to suggest tat they were "backing 2 horses" and that they have now decided which one to go with but, the truth is that they totally backed the wrong horse and have now decided to change their bet.

With Germany having a test and trace app that they are happy with. why on earth are we not asking their help and copying their model.
Are we so utterly stubborn in wanting to go it alone, with out the help of our former friends in Europe, that we would rather allow our own people to die, than ask for ~Germany's help.

Talk about insular, narrow minded, little Englanders - it's there for everyone to see.

Help from Europe or death - we chose death

The problem is that what Hancock said about testing both systems was not known to Apple or Google because they have had no communication with the government. I hope he wasn’t lying to the public because in addition to not discussing the Apple system they have no idea where the problem with distance comes from.
With regards the Germans they initially thought about developing their own app but quickly realised it was not possible and moved to the Apple and Google system.

Quote ="Durham Giant"Seems like the state of the Art, cutting edge , world beating track and trace Technology we were promised by Boris should be ready by WINTER. still no doubt the usual suspects will be along to tell us that Boris is doing a great job on Covid and That we are all a Bunch of whiners . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53083340'" Would you mind creating an alternate username, one as a mod, the other where you post opinion and s4oit3, I am not allowed to ignore the bully mod profile.

Quote ="Durham Giant"Seems like the state of the Art, cutting edge , world beating track and trace Technology we were promised by Boris should be ready by WINTER. still no doubt the usual suspects will be along to tell us that Boris is doing a great job on Covid and That we are all a Bunch of whiners . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53083340'" Would you mind creating an alternate username, one as a mod, the other where you post opinion and s4oit3, I am not allowed to ignore the bully mod profile.

You had to admire the sheer brass neck of Dido Harding and little Matty Hancock at Thursday's 5pm briefing. They almost made it sound like it was Apple who weren't up to the job, and that Apple had something to learn from them. I mean, Apple have only been at the forefront of computer technology since 1976.

No doubt Dido Harding will stroll into another well remunerated position after her latest failure.

I wonder how they will explain away the 11 million pounds they have spent so far on a system destined for failure from day one. The list of broken promises and failed cover ups just grows and grows. I actually now believe that Johnson default position is to lie because his friends will cover for him and after all it is only Boris

The fact that Johnson is a liar shouldnt be a surprise to anyone. That's been well documented for many years. The surprise to me is that so many people believed him in 2016 and again in 2019.

He sadly for us is part of the Trump triumvirate with Trump himself and Bolsonaro (Trump of the tropics). They not only failed in all aspects of the virus but the three countries have the highest death totals and just like Trump, Johnson removed the pandemic unit, I guess Cummins thought he could do better.

This thread is just full of salty champagne socialist labour supporters

Just let it go. You lost

Sadly so has the country and those that lost their lives due to this government’s failures or do you believe them to be a success.

what do you deem the failures to be, without the 20/20 hindsight that is.

I agree for this government and Johnson it probably the best they could do based on their combined capabilities. The mistakes started in 2016 when a pandemic response report was produced but not released like so many others. If this report backed up the government’s response then I am sure it would now be in the public domain.
Hindsight would have applied if we were one of the first countries to recognise the pandemic and if effects. We were not with Italy giving us two weeks warning of the full impact but we ignored this believing the best way was to treat it like an influenza outbreak.
I could go on and list a litany of mistakes that are well documented to those who wish to believe them, I suppose their will always be the diehards like yourself who are blind to Johnson’s and the government’s shortcomings.

Feel free to prove your opinion, I can bet my soul you cannot, you are like Kussenberg, righteous and hate filled from the shadows.

You could but for some reason you haven't, neither have answered IR80's question either, you got one thing right though, I'll give you a clue shall I, it's highlighted in red, it's something you use quite a lot against this government, when your not making things up to seve your own political agenda that is.

You can make excuses for the government and the situation they inherited i.e. low testing threshold with a capacity of c2k/day. You can excuse the lack of PPE - much better to spend the money on clinical operations than stockpile PPE in case. What you cannot excuse is sending old people back to nursing homes without them being tested. I agree about the lockdown, anybody would have been nervous about trashing the economy so to delay as long as possible makes sense to me. Track and trace - we have a society that hates intrusion - even in Singapore only a small % of the population have downloaded the app. Schools - this is political nothing else, unions flexing their muscles - I would stop the wages of any teacher not prepared to teach - look in France now!!

Ah, it's those bloody leftie unions again. You do realise that school buildings vary and not all layouts lend themselves to safe working dont you?

Of course they don't especially if you don't want them too!! There isn't a classroom in this country that couldn't take 10 6-7 olds at a time - come on be realistic if you are trying to defend the indefensible. Most classrooms are either square or rectangular - and have corridors that link them - it isn't rocket science.

You had better tell Gavin Williamson because he is responsible for making schools safe, it is unfortunate that when it was announced it was done without any pre planning despite the time available. It could be that Johnson announced it without notifying the cabinet which appears to be the way he operates. If Cummins likes it then all is well to proceed.

Good, nothing ever gets achieved if it is decided by committee!

Wether decisions prove to be right or wrong, at least they were made. Lord Almighty Starmer could only describ e the awful incident in Reading as "concerning" until his spin machine had told him to make a statement saying 'not a time for party politics". I can imagine if he'd been in charge, straight on the phone to McClusky, "what do you want me to do"....?