Did this not answer you sufficiently: "The other (many) moments of laughter from the debate on Friday, have not been edited out and replaced with applause when clip were shown for a second time."

It's all that your getting and I'm sorry that you missed the first clip

Did this not answer you sufficiently: "The other (many) moments of laughter from the debate on Friday, have not been edited out and replaced with applause when clip were shown for a second time."

It's all that your getting and I'm sorry that you missed the first clip

It loses something without the laughter but, you may not have spotted the difference

No - it's only relevant if it happened; and in this case, the clip they showed was deliberately misrepresented, because they showed Johnson's strong words, but edited out the context of a room full of people laughing in scorn. If they'd shown clips of the other leaders words leading up to laughter, but edited out the laughter, you might have the faintest trace of a point.

And this is the state broadcaster by the way, who also 'accidentally' used old footage of Johnson at the cenotaph, which conveniently airbrushed out his embarrassing gaffe and showed him in a more positive light; the same event btw that last year, saw Corbyn vilified for his choice of coat, gleefully replayed over and over again, by the same state broadcaster.

You can explain away this stuff all you like - and it may wash in your own echo chamber - but it's self-evidently and clearly wrong; positively Orwellian in fact:

"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

The big issues:
- what are your intentions for the Trident nuclear deterrent?
- are you looking to us out the EU, deal or no deal?
- what are your tax threshold intentions?
- what is your long-term welfare state strategy?
- how will you address the issue of homelessness?

The Left, "BUT...BUT...THEY EDITED THE LIVE VERSION OF LEADER'S QT AND SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T SEE ONE SECOND OF A FEW PEOPLE LAUGHING AND THAT WAS THE BIG MOMENT I WANTED EVERYONE TO SEEEEE"



That is exactly what you sound like.

I hope they don't edit Andrew Neil from tonight - Corbyn didn't actually answer one question - oh he did on the WASPI - a mix of government reserves and borrowing and then admitted the government reserves were a fraction of what would be required. He couldn't answer what % of the total income tax was paid by the top 1% and he wanted to suggest that removing the married tax allowance was some way of equalising society!! Less said about anti-Semitism the better

For the first time he looked out of his depth - a shocking performance.

That was just astounding. Corbyn way out of his depth, evasive as ever, clearly rattled and utterly unconvincing. Eye-rolling & huffing throughout. If Prince Andrew was a car crash, that was an M6 pile-up into both carriageways.

He simply can't hide his loyalties. Wouldn't apologise for antisemitism, wouldn't give the go-ahead to kill an ISIS leader. We all know he's refused to condemn the IRA killings before. Won't answer questions, gets his tax sums wrong. Thinks £60 billion can be found for WASPI 'just because it needs doing'.

Neil always jumps in a lot but he does his best to cut off pointless soundbites and push hard for answers. He does it with everyone. That's why he's good at his job.

Yes, Corbyn eventually answered on WASPI - but by my count he was asked SEVENTEEN times before getting some form of wishy-washy answer.

Great post BUT, if you cant trust a word coming out of the Prime Ministers mouth, it's all irrelevant.
Johnson has lied at every opportunity, ranging form exaggeration to down right lies.

I know that YOU cant or are not prepared to see this but it doesn't change his "style". He is a political chancer hence his "switch" a year or so before the referendum from Pro European to Brexitier.

You can go for all of your sarcastic comments and "snowflake" "insults" but it doesn't change Johnson and people laughing on the question of trust, something which most people should have somewhere near the top of their list of attributes, for who they wish to vote for, IS fairly important.

It's no wonder he's bottled another debate and I hope that he is indeed "empty chaired"
The leader of the country "pulled" from debate to prevent any gaffes.

No mention of the time machine at the Cenotaph then

All irrelevant guys



Corbyn stops a hard right wing fascist Brexit.

End of.

Well, if Corbyn's performance tonight is any measure, he's well advised to avoid debates.

I'm absolutely aware of Johnson's character and past, and it's far from squeaky clean ( is anyone?) - but I'm prepared to give him a chance. He's committed to seeing Brexit through and - frankly - he's a million times better than the other truly miserable excuses for "leaders".


Nope because I couldn't care less. Genuinely don't give a sht. Honestly, right now I care more whether I can be d having another drink before bed. Just as I don't actually give a toss about the "conspiracy" of Johnson's "missing" second of laughter, as I've said before several times. It's all utterly irrelevant. You love it simply because it validates your views and later on you can cry to anyone who will put up with you that it's all a conspiracy.

Don’t get too carried away because Johnson turn is still to come and I expect the interviewer will have a lot of ammunition to upset him. You can tell when he is lying his mouth is open.

Hope that you slept well ?
However, where do you stand on the primary TV channel "air brushing" out the Prime Ministers mistakes - you didn't manage to answer that one.
Inserting footage from 3 years ago to cover his mistake, although small in itself, shouldn't be happening in a UK democracy.

The fact that you cant be d to answer would suggest that you condone this type of thing

Lovely thanks.



If you read it again I did answer. You've even quoted it. I simply don't care. I don't care about the "missing second" either (as I've said from the start), but I find the outrage, wailing and conspiracy theories from the left hilarious.

It's such a nothing issue. Have you even watched it? Would you have known it was upside down? I've just watched it again and unless someone points it out you'd never know. I honestly wouldn't care even if Corbyn had done it.

Of course I'm aware that's not your primary point - you think there's a conspiracy. But, bear in mind all other broadcasters, all other bulletins, all social media outlets and indeed the live footage used the correct version, what would be the point in a 'deliberate' edit? Also bear in mind it had already broken online - in the press and on social media - it was already out there so again what would be the point?

You're just so utterly convinced there's a BBC conspiracy you get suckered in by the fake outrage in the press and on social media. And it validates your views. Fact is, it was a cock-up, it's been explained in detail by the production team and that'll do for me. Move on to something actually important.

Sorry Mr Cronus but, I had moved on from the missing laughter at Mr Johnson, which, I am now convinced never happened


The more deliberate change was with this years laying of the wreath by Mr Johnson.
The live footage shows him laying the wreath upside down but, the re-runs go back in time (3 years) to show him laying the wreath correctly.

Was this to protect the dignity of those who have fallen or, to protect "our leader" and just who made that decision ?
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I've replied on the cenotaph 'incident', twice. Once last night and just now. Come on lad.

I'll have to read your posts more carefully in future


Pat of it had been air brushed out on my PC - it has some additional security to protect me from any form of extremism (parental controls or something like that

).
FWIW, Boris has had the usual honeymoon period with the media, which is the norm - just to stop the natives from getting too restless.
However, on a more serious note, the bloke is never going to change from being a "maverick" politician and as long as someone keeps on sweeping up behind him, he may be ok.
Personally, as I've said many times, I'm more annoyed that the Tories can boast about spending pledges that return us to where we were 10 years ago, before the cuts that they imposed.
It's like having your car impounded and then having to be grateful when someone passes you the keys.

If only Labour had "promoted" the other Miliband, we may never have arrived here and we are still left with staying in the EU or sucking up ever closer to the USA and the latter is a worse option than leaving the EU.

So Channel 4 added subtitles claiming Johnson said the word 'people of colour' rather than 'people of talent'.

Deliberate? Conspiracy? Mistake?



[i"Unacceptable from a publicly owned broadcaster...shouldn't happen...self-evidently and clearly wrong; positively Orwellian in fact"[/i...etc...the outraged left are suspiciously quiet on this matter.



[size=75I actually don't care but anything that makes C4 news squirm is good by me.[/size

Don't expect to hear anything from the left wing echo chamber on here. Never known such a myopic bunch. And don't forget only the conservatives tell lies... Corbyn and the rest of his ilk are as pure as driven snow.
Don't know why you bother Cronus... right wing all bad, left wing all good. Never mind that we'd be destitute if Corbyn actually got to implement his crackpot policies just like the poor sods in Venezuela.

To quote Crony, stop being such a snowflake.

Please explain how I'm a snowflake. I'm not taking offence at anything or professing faux outrage. Just stated a couple of facts as I see it.

To be fair if he spoke with a northern accent there is no way it would've been 'misheard'. Phonetically I imagine upper class types pronounce it as kalah, which can be mishead from talent if the audio is dodgy.

Sure, happy to help.

It is difficult to judge the tone of written words. However, I read your first post (cited second above), as indicating a contemptuous view of the ‘myopic bunch’ inhabiting the ‘echo chamber’, and the comment about Corbyn’s purity as being sarcastic. Your opinion (or fact as you see it, to use your charmingly post-truth era turn of phrase) that Corbyn’s policies are crackpot and use of the oven-ready Venezuela cliche, suggest a degree of emotional investment and perhaps offence or outrage, faux or otherwise.

Therefore, you come off as a bit of whiny snowflake to us thick-skinned progressive types.

No offence or outrage here my friend. Just expressing my opinion just as everyone else is entitled to.
Love the use of the word progressive though. Very "on message"

Interesting reading of the party leaders comments when they are "fact checked" and it seems that Corbyn is in fact the more "truthful" of the 2, with Boris still peddling the myth of 40 new hospitals.
£2.7 billion is set aside for the first 6 hospitals- to be built over the next 5 years and seed money of just £100 million for the other 34, which are promised within 10 years ??
On the basis that there would need to be the same amount of money for each hospital, there would need to be a staggering £15.3 billion for the remaining 34 hospitals and just a 5 year time frame to get these done - blatant lie or just badly thought out, you decide.



Johnson is gambling the house on getting the much sought after free trade deal with the EU and all inside 11 months - he will fail on both and we will then leave the EU with "no deal"

The consolation is if/when Johnson wins, he's inheriting an even bigger mess than when he set out on his journey to enlightenment.

If he doesn't deliver a satisfactory Brexit, the right wing headbangers will never forgive him. If he does deliver Brexit, it'll likely be of the harder variety, which may set the country back decades. There will only be so many lies he can tell until people start calling for his head on a spike.

Absolutely.




Those who find themselves ridiculous, sit down next to me.



They say that one flaw damns a virtuous man (or anybody else wherever they define themselves on the gender spectrum), and one virtue redeems a sinner. So i’ll say one positive thing about Johnson - he is self aware, and while he pretends to be something he isn’t, he does so in such a way that anybody who buys it can only blame themselves, imo. Bit of red-blooded victim blaming for you there. I think he wants us to be in on the joke, so i don’t think it truly counts as deceit.

It must be horrible trying to be impartial in the media in this climate. So while I might have shouted abuse at Nick Robinson, based around his time as President of the Oxford University Conservative Association, last night, he did okay, I thought. I do sometimes laugh at how aligned with my views C4 news is. We jokingly refer to it as the real news and now more or less regard the BBC political news as an adjunct of the Conservative Party media operation. When Standee points to their left-wing bias, maybe, overall, it shows they are doing their best. I suspect Kuessenberg would privately regard you, Cronus and Standee as wets... but even so.