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| Boris Johnson took Trumps lead for the month of February and sat on his ample backside and did nothing but talk coronavirus down and protect his crony capitalist pals in the boardroom and stock market.
As Cummings said, who gives a toss about a few thousand pensioners.
I already know of solicitors assembling class action stratagem against this shocking Boris Johnson government for negligence.
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| This is worth a look from an american surgeon, last 5 mins is a bit repetitive tho.
[urlhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4J0d59dd-qM[/url
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| Quote ="Superblue"And Santa Claus Suni shuffles another £10 billion quid into his Tory vote base slush fund
This time for the £150 grand a year self employed tax avoiding company directors working as limited companies for the last 10 years.
whose £3 grand a year accountants pay them minimum wage to avoid income tax, and have trouser the rest in dividends at 10% tax, thus avoiding 25% corporation tax.
And not forgetting their wives who they employ as so called company secretaries, again tax free.
Fill yer boots time lads'"
A company isn’t allowed to pay dividends if it doesn’t make a profit. If it makes a profit it pays corporation tax, then it can pay dividends.
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| Quote ="Cronus"South Korea manufacture the tests. They have 5 factories dedicated to it, just as some UK companies are switching to the same task. Yes of course in your brain there should have been millions of tests immediately available despite every nation on the planet frantically trying to buy them, but you appear to be living in cloud cuckoo land.
So you think all airports should have been closed immediately? Yes, you could seal off the country, but how long for? There will be no vaccine until perhaps 2021. And it was probably already here given the tens of thousands Chinese students who travelled home and back over the Christmas break, similarly all those who travelled to Northern Italy early in the year. With a high R0 it was already spreading.
We could have locked down immediately - but again, how long for? A year? To what purpose? No-one leaves their house for what, 6 months? All the while the virus is spreading globally and is not going to go away. Then we open up again with no vaccine? Have a think about that.
Ask yourself - how long can South Korea and others stay locked down? What happens when their population - that has not been widely exposed - starts moving again? Another outbreak, back to square one.
No, you cannot escape this. The only strategy is a managed spread, allowing a significant percentage of the population to be infected in order to build widespread immunity, which is what we are doing. "Flattening the curve". It's not nice and people will die but if it comes back in cannot spread anywhere near as quickly or widely and the NHS will not be as overwhelmed as it is about to be. I'm not actually sure why I'm bothering to try and explain this again, you're either incapable of understanding or are too biased.
And I'm sure you think we should have 20,000 ventilators and associated equipment, as well as masks, gloves, etc just sitting in storage? Bearing in mind many of these items degrade over time and become useless. The fact is, every nation is ill-equipped for this and yes, doctors all over the world will have to prioritise those who will die anyway, over those with more chance of survival. Those are the stark realities of a novel pandemic, not the comfortable entitled world we've all been living in so far.
BTW it's already reached my family. My sister's husband was horrifically ill for over a week. Fortunately her family are symptom-free so far. My family and I are in day 12 of isolation for various reasons. I actually suspect (and hope) we've had it although very mild, but it's a chance I cannot take. But if we haven't had it and in about 6-8 weeks things start moving again and we all go back to work, we'll be much safer with a largely immune population around us. Do you get it yet?'"
That's pretty well put.
The only part of the Governments strategy that seemed wrong at the time and more so with the benefit of hindsight, was allowing people to travel freely overseas to anywhere they chose.
Absolutely crazy in the circumstances.
Maybe this was in the vain hope of protecting the Airlines but, if so, it clearly didn't work.
Politically speaking, the only other area where we have been "caught short", is with the lack of nurses etc within the NHS, which is largely down to government policy over the last 10 years.
Also, the audacity for Johnson to extol the virtues of the NHS and the staff working within it, after his government froze the wages and cut the bursaries (which is why there is such a shortage), is borderline sick - the two faced b'stard.
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| Quote ="Superblue"Boris Johnson took Trumps lead for the month of February and sat on his ample backside and did nothing but talk coronavirus down and protect his crony capitalist pals in the boardroom and stock market.
As Cummings said, who gives a toss about a few thousand pensioners.
I already know of solicitors assembling class action stratagem against this shocking Boris Johnson government for negligence.'"
Protect his pals in the stock market? Check out the uk stock market at the onset of the outbreak of the pandemic. Then have a look at the market as it stands at the moment.
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| Quote ="Superblue"Boris Johnson took Trumps lead for the month of February and sat on his ample backside and did nothing but talk coronavirus down and protect his crony capitalist pals in the boardroom and stock market.
As Cummings said, who gives a toss about a few thousand pensioners.
I already know of solicitors assembling class action stratagem against this shocking Boris Johnson government for negligence.'"
Oh dear, no such thing in the UK, jog on troll.
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| Quote ="Superblue"This time for the £150 grand a year self employed tax avoiding company directors working as limited companies for the last 10 years.
legally, as it was under Labour
whose £3 grand a year accountants pay them minimum wage to avoid income tax, and have trouser the rest in dividends at 10% tax, thus avoiding 25% corporation tax.
corporation tax has been 24%, or lower, since 2012, and income tax is paid on dividends [iafter they are drawn, which cannot be done before profit,after Corporation Tax[/i
And not forgetting their wives who they employ as so called company secretaries, again tax free.
no, not tax free, and wouldn't get dividends unless a shareholder
Fill yer boots time lads'"
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Protect his pals in the stock market? Check out the uk stock market at the onset of the outbreak of the pandemic. Then have a look at the market as it stands at the moment.'"
[url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51706225Indeed, unless Boris and his mates are invested in Orange concentrate...[/url
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| Trust all the NHS staff and key workers are all getting £5k a day Danger Money off this Shyster capitalist joke show
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| Quote ="Superblue"Trust all the NHS staff and key workers are all getting £5k a day Danger Money off this Shyster capitalist joke show
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you're not responding to the numerous posts saying you are wrong then?
figures, I think you see trolling as exercise, wish you'd stick to once a day.
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| We are having to limit our freedoms to save the NHS. The problem is Johnson and his party have made no effort to do so themselves over the last 10 years. To make it worse they increase the workload by not testing those NHS staff having to isolate unaware if they actually have the virus. This in addition to the lack of PPE and ventilators which also increases the stress for NHS staff. This suggests that the biggest threat is not the public but the Conservatives.
I note that the deputy medical director is not so practiced at lying like Johnson because she indicated that we could remain under restrictions for three to six months or even longer. The current three weeks is only a test to see its impact before they decide how longer to extend it. Johnson indicates that the three weeks were to access if the current limits could be reduced.
The fact he is also sending a letter to every household is not just only a waste of money but puts the Royal Mail staff at increased risk. He could just do one of his now presidential tv appearances to say what he would have put in the letter.
I know it means him combing his hair but it would save several millions in postage which could go on the missing equipment.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"The fact he is also sending a letter to every household is not just only a waste of money but puts the Royal Mail staff at increased risk. He could just do one of his now presidential tv appearances to say what he would have put in the letter.
I know it means him combing his hair but it would save several millions in postage which could go on the missing equipment.'"
My theory is some people are so stupid and self-centred, it'll take an official letter from the PM to finally get through to them. I wonder if he'll be sending one to Johnson Snr after his defiant "I'll still go to the pub", despite the nation being advised not to the day before? How many more people like old Stan will be dismissing this as 'just some bug that's going round'?
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"My theory is some people are so stupid and self-centred, it'll take an official letter from the PM to finally get through to them. I wonder if he'll be sending one to Johnson Snr after his defiant "I'll still go to the pub", despite the nation being advised not to the day before? How many more people like old Stan will be dismissing this as 'just some bug that's going round'?'"
Nail on head there King Street.
Everyone thinks that they know best and especially the older generation.
The more spritely ones value their independence above al else and dont want to be "confined to barracks".
There ought to be an advert showing a grandparent giving the virus to their Grand Children or something. I know this sounds to be in extremely bad taste but, they either dont understand or, choose not to understand the severity of the thing.
This really isn't about how it affects you or me etc, it's about the other people who we may come in to contact with or the people that we meet, may com into contact with that will spread the virus and some wont recover.
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| My Mum and Dad were quite blase about it until only recently. Offering to look after our 3 year old so I could get some work done at home, and inviting us all round for dinner! It wasn't until I explained the severity that they realised how bad an idea all that was.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"My Mum and Dad were quite blase about it until only recently. Offering to look after our 3 year old so I could get some work done at home, and inviting us all round for dinner! It wasn't until I explained the severity that they realised how bad an idea all that was.'"
It tickled me when I read this. We aren't in our 70's but mid to late 60's. My wife, who is a very intelligent person couldn't understand why none of ours are able to come round for Easter Sunday and to be fair, I had a good think about it.
Reckon as you get older, change of any kind is hard to take in, especially as regards family.
Our daughter and two lads patiently explain why but grandchildren and grandparents relationships don't do logic, it's just sheer emotion.
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| I’ve heard that in these times of National Emergency that Lyin Boris is going to order that all private company and stock market dividends are to be diverted into NHS funds to purchase PPE and ventilators.
Any objections?
We’re all in this together
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"It tickled me when I read this. We aren't in our 70's but mid to late 60's. My wife, who is a very intelligent person couldn't understand why none of ours are able to come round for Easter Sunday and to be fair, I had a good think about it.
Reckon as you get older, change of any kind is hard to take in, especially as regards family.
Our daughter and two lads patiently explain why but grandchildren and grandparents relationships don't do logic, it's just sheer emotion.'"
My Mum signs every phone call off with "so, we don't when we're going to see you all, do we?", and I reply, "you do, in about 12 weeks".
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| One of the problems is that people struggle to deal with the concept of risk, when it comes to very rare events. And also people's complacency increases with time. So bad events come as a real shock, eg home destroyed by floods or being diagnosed with a critical illness, even though maybe you've known for years you lived in an area prone to floods or have had lifestyle factors (obesity/smoking/drinking) that predisposed you to higher risk. The longer people live with risk, the less they worry about it, so its a shock when something happens. When there's been a terrorist attack, people are nervous in train stations and stadiums and taking the tube for a few weeks, but then gradually forget about it.
With the risk of pandemic, we've been fortunate that some of the feared outbreaks in the past never materialised. SARS got contained in the far East. Avian flu didn't develop in to human-to-human transmission. Swine flu did hit us, but had a low fatality rate so was just a "bad flu year". Ebola got contained in Africa. So I guess it was easy to think when we started hearing about Covid-19 in China, that this was going to be SARS again, something that got contained after a few months and never impacted us. Nobody has been through a serious pandemic before as we haven't had anything on this scale since Spanish flu a century ago, so nobody had any fears lurking in the memory. I bet if Covid had come about say in the 1970s or 1980s, the older generation then would have been the ones who were taking no chances, after having memories of what happened with Spanish flu when they were young, and the "boomers" who would have been in their 30s or 40s would have been more dismissive then, just like they are now they are in their 70s or 80s.
Another thing that has made it harder to get the message across is the way politics has been run in recent years, with a "counter-intellectual" culture being encouraged where "experts" are dismissed as being part of some kind of establishment elite with an agenda to undermine Britain, and "the man on the street" knowing best. So when scientists and health professionals started saying this is a big deal, a lot of peoples default reaction was to say "what nonsense, you're not going to stop me going out for a pint".
I think most people - including the older generation - thought until a week or so ago, yes this is a new virus and I will probably get it but it will be a few days in bed then recover, just like getting a normal virus. If we had locked down earlier, most people would have thought this is a load of fuss over nothing and not really complied. The rising death count is probably making people realise that this is a real problem and so compliance will improve as people understand it is necessary.
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| Quote ="Superblue"I’ve heard that in these times of National Emergency that Lyin Boris is going to order that all private company and stock market dividends are to be diverted into NHS funds to purchase PPE and ventilators.
Any objections?
We’re all in this together
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| It must be cheaper to test everybody than the cost to an already failing economy. We are already heading for a recession and after our sacrifice to save the NHS next we will have the austerity to save the failing economy made worse by our withdrawal from the EC.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"It must be cheaper to test everybody than the cost to an already failing economy. We are already heading for a recession and after our sacrifice to save the NHS next we will have the austerity to save the failing economy made worse by our withdrawal from the EC.'"
I am interested to know what purpose testing will serve?
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"It must be cheaper to test everybody than the cost to an already failing economy. We are already heading for a recession and after our sacrifice to save the NHS next we will have the austerity to save the failing economy made worse by our withdrawal from the EC.'"
Remainers never waste an opportunity - it must be so difficult to be so bitter?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Remainers never waste an opportunity - it must be so difficult to be so bitter?'"
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| I'm baffled by the rising tide of "don't politicise this" nonsense; the Government, which has been in power for 10 years, is responsible for our readiness to deal with events like this, and what we do when it actually happens - and they have demonstrably failed on both, by any measure. Our NHS is woefully understaffed and underfunded, and we have the lowest number of ICU beds in history per head of population - amongst the lowest in the developed world. We have insufficient equipment and facilities to deal with a public health emergency, and insufficient medical professionals to look after us. We don't have enough police officers to manage our behaviour during a lockdown, and to top it off, our benefit system is so depleted that suddenly, middle class people who realise it should be a safety net and are turning to it for help, are up in arms because it is criminally slow, inefficient and doesn't provide enough for the basics of life.
This is 100% political, and the servile bootlicking of many people is what will guarantee that nothing much will change when it's all over.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I'm baffled by the rising tide of "don't politicise this" nonsense; the Government, which has been in power for 10 years, is responsible for our readiness to deal with events like this, and what we do when it actually happens - and they have demonstrably failed on both, by any measure. Our NHS is woefully understaffed and underfunded, and we have the lowest number of ICU beds in history per head of population - amongst the lowest in the developed world. We have insufficient equipment and facilities to deal with a public health emergency, and insufficient medical professionals to look after us. We don't have enough police officers to manage our behaviour during a lockdown, and to top it off, our benefit system is so depleted that suddenly, middle class people who realise it should be a safety net and are turning to it for help, are up in arms because it is criminally slow, inefficient and doesn't provide enough for the basics of life.
This is 100% political, and the servile bootlicking of many people is what will guarantee that nothing much will change when it's all over.'"
Do tell us, oh wise one, how we should have prepared for a global pandemic?
Italy coping so much better, like France, Russia...... oh, hang on.
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