Yep, Enemies of the State deciding British law - shocking.

Perhaps they could appeal to the European Court of Human Rights.

Don't Parliament tell legal what laws we require? Who do the courts think they are to instruct Parliament what to do.

I hope you are being sarcastic? Parliament make the laws and the courts make sure they are enacted. That is all that has gone on here. People wanted our democracy back. Well this is it.

Pound has fallen since the judges opined.

The key word there is PARLIAMENT. Parliament pass laws and the courts uphold them.

The court is saying that the GOVERNMENT (May & her ministers) can't do it alone and must let Parliament have their say on Brexit, similar to the process for passing laws. It's got nothing to do with the courts telling Parliament what to do.

I fully agree with the ruling too. There's no change to what's ultimately going to happen, which is the UK leaving the EU, but surely going through Parliament is the more democratic way to do it?

Whilst I might agree that Parliament is the appropriate democratic tool, what happens if a pro remain Parliament filibusters the life out of the democratic process so that we end up with nothing, or a Brexit Lite solution overturning the sprit of Brexit that was contained within the referendum?

I understand that arguments will be and have been had regarding the 'great unwashed' not knowing what was on the table and what is good for them but I just don't buy it sounds like a stitch to me. After all if they say that we didn't have the information to make an informed choice who's fault is that?

What the eff is that?

Yep, it's fallen by 0.05% as I type, as opposed to it dropping by 10% straight after the Brexit vote.

Parliament as I understand it is there to represent the electorate? The referendum represented Parliament delegating the decision up to the electorate. The electorate voted out and so Parliament has no reason to debate the issue in my view. That said, if they try to overturn it there will no doubt be serious civil unrest and Parliament may cease to be in its present form.

I dont think there is anything whatsoever to worry about.
Brexit will go through parliament no problem and at least there may be some debate about how this change may affect the country, which is absolutely right.
The alternative was for an unelected prime minister, with HER cabinet, doing whatever they wanted, which was just wrong.
There is no way that Brexit will not happen and after all, the "style" of Brexit was never talked about or agreed by anyone, just that we would exit the EU.
And IF that fails, people can get rid of their local MP, who has an obligation to carry out their constituents' wishes.

No point getting excited, it's part of the British democracy, the thing that everyone voted for.

Just keep your fingers crossed that their cant be an appeal later on to the European court ??

As you asked so 'nicely' I will try and respond, before you stop wetting yourself for no good reason.

I understand that there is no such thing as the 'spirit' of Brexit, and it would probably be easier to explain if we were having a chat over a beer, although I'm not so sure that I could be bothered given your response, but, it was an attempt to establish that there must have been some shared understanding of what the leave voters were trying to achieve at a fundamental level?

There isn't, or shouldn't be 17 plus million versions, or ideas of leaving and what I was trying to say was a pro remain Parliamentary group should deliver what is in the national interest, but, in the frame of reference that we as a nation had voted out and not dilute it so much that it rendered the referendum a waste of time.

I used the term "spirit" because I wouldn't be so arrogant to assume that my idea of Brexit was the same as yours, or anyone else's. Those fundamentals might be sovereignty, the control of borders, ever closer steps towards a federal Europe.

I think that as we voted out we should get out in a Mickey Flanagan sense....Out, Out. The government should negotiate the best terms possible and not go half cock for example because their idea of national interest says access to the free market is the fundamental that dictates that we can never really leave.

Just my opinion rightly, or wrongly

You do realise that the referendum was advisory, as opposed to the referendum in 2011 regarding a change to the electoral system.



Yeah, but thankfully, that's just your view.




No doubt if the other half of the Country threatened civil unrest you would be outraged, remember, less than half of U.K. citizens voted to leave the E.U.

Well the people have advised and so Parliament must follow. No real difference is there?

Yes, my view but all the debating in the world is pointless as the only way to leave is leave and EU won't allow us equivalent terms to now. The stupidity surrounding this issue is astonishing. How can anybody lay out the clear oath than certain vexatious politicians suggest when in reality the government must negotiate hard with 27 other parties or whatever the number is this week?

As to the other half of the country, that could apply to any election / vote. They need to grin and bear it or go and live in a different democracy, dictatorship or theocracy of their choosing? I would suggest Iran.

and even less voted to remain.

Regarding your first point, Wikipedia states that the government issued a leaflet saying that "This is your decision the government will implement what you decide"

DA Apologies for my clumsy attempt at a 'conversation' where I inadvertently edited your post

I'm not worried about the fact that we are using Parliament I agree with you and it.

However, I am concerned at the language coming from the likes of Corbyn, (where was he when the referendum was on), Sturgeon (who won't rest until she has another referendum even though the SNP lost their "once in a lifetime opportunity) and Clegg (who basically said he will oppose everything because he doesn't want to leave).

Too many people spouting on about legitimacy and democracy and the national interest, when in reality the only interest is their own, which is what I was trying to say in my earlier post. I don't particularly trust any of them to deliver I think that there will be a lot of frustration and time wasting hopefully we wont lose site of the bigger picture and opportunities if/when we manage to leave.

I think political self interest was the driving force behind the whole referendum question anyway.
People like Farage, much as I dislike his politics, at least have some principles at stake.
Whereas, his "running partners" Johnson and Gove were all about trying to use Brexit to try and climb to the top of the political ladder.
We go back to the campaign, where lies from one side were topped by lies from the other and all of the politicians involved knew that they could never be held to account due to the lack of political unity within each camp.
Personally, I still believe that we will all be financially worse off when we actually leave the EU and I'm now at the point where I dont give a damn what happens.
The hot air about how good a deal Britain will get has been just that, when the reality is that we may end up with something like a 10% levy on all products and services bought and sold within the EU (as will the remaining 26 EU nations) and I think that we will be left as little Englanders, desperate for influence in the outside world.
Nobody has any concrete evidence that we will be better off and we are all left hoping for something to improve.

Mrs May is just full of wind and I dont expect her to be leader of the Conservatives much beyond the end of this year.

Also, the inflationary pressures that stacking up, mainly due to the weaker £ are likely to lead to some very difficult times over the next couple of years and IF the Financial Institutions move from London into Europe the hole in the UK ecconomy will be huge.

On the plus side, with a weak pound (or strong Euro), EU immigration will fall all by itself as Britain becomes a less attractive prospect.

Yes people have advised, but "in law" it's not etched in stone where the proposed change to the Electoral System was, big difference I.M.O.



Remember when all the claims were being thrown about prior to the referendum? You know, the "Project Fear" & Buses with false claims. The Brexiters were asked about a plan if they were successful, erm well, they didn't have one, & they still don't. They've just wasted two months & countless millions of quid on a court case they knew they would lose. Negotiating with Europe - God help us.



Indeed, I chose to get the Hell out of here as soon as my house sells - that's if I'm allowed.

But not Iran though, too "Muslimy" - The Night Journey, give me a break!

Interesting that according to the EU, Britain will have to settle its due's before we can leave and apparently we owe £65 billion, which has to be paid when we trigger article 50.
Why did nobody mention this or, did "we" hope that they would just forget about it ?

This has been widely known for months. There are certain financial obligations up to 2020 I think, partly due to the EU spending well above its budget. I'd be amazed if we paid anywhere near £65bn. I've heard figures of around the £25bn mark, though I'm prepared to be corrected.

I know its been mentioned for a little while but, it certainly never made the press before, during or after the campaign.
Using the modern analogy, usually favoured by Labour, it would certainly pay for a few schools and hospitals or care for the elderly.

Who cares about that - the NHS is in rude health, and once all the nasty immigrants are kicked out of the waiting rooms, Dr's and nurses will be sitting around twiddling their thumbs; or at least the ones who weren't immigrants will be.

The folly in letting French and German energy companies buy half of our suppliers is now apparent post the Brexit vote.
nPower is to raise gas prices by 5% and electricity by a whopping 15%

And rather than the rest sticking together and shafting the greedy s , they will follow suit and shaft US!

Also, if I am correct, we are connected to the French grid. At periods like breakfast and tea time we are importing electricity from France.

What kind of dumb-ass thinking got us here?

If Brexit doesn't result in a change of tack, then I will be staggered.

Keep the coal-fired stations going now.

How will Brexit make any difference ?
The deals with EDF, to build new Nuclear Power Stations have already been signed (prior to the referendum) and we have effectively agreed to I think a 30% increase by 2020 ?.
Unless you think that Brexit will change this, which it wont, you should expect your energy costs to rise steadily until 2020 and probably beyond.
If we were still digging coal from the ground we may still have some control but, instead, we have put our energy supplies in French hands, oh yeah and then fallen out with them



All good stuff.

At least we will have "control"

Please use the thread 'Brexit Anyone? (2)' as we are well past the 1000-post limit ... the most recent posts are there.

Thank you.