Well, we can all have 3 households round at Christmas but, it's probably going to kill some of us off as a result.
Bojo's 5 days of Christmas are likely to cause a huge rise in covid cases and a huge number of needless deaths.

Lead by the Tory press, we now have some of the worst mixed messaging seen from the bumbling, bungling government.

Once again, "following the science" is just a lie and applicable only when it suits their own agenda.

Instead of a message of minimal contact and mixing, the country was "set up" to have 3 households mixing for up to 5 days and now they are trying to reign this in when plans have been made.

I live the bit where he suggested that people isolated before meeting up with people at Xmas

Yet that did not lead him to think schools should go online for a week when that is the key area for the spread of Covid in many areas such as Islington and Greenwich. !

I liked Proff Whitty likening meeting for 5 days over christmas to driving 70 miles an hour down an icy road, both technically legal but a terrible idea.

Agreed.
Right now, "we" are about to throw petrol on the Covid fire.
All of the sacrifices made through the year and the lives that have been lost, businesses gone to the wall and all for a few slices of dry turkey ??
In a long list of mistakes, this looks like being the most damaging.

We're supposed to be just few months away form the most vulnerable being vaccinated, Although, once again, this promise looks very, very optimistic.

Although he is now trying to suggest that the 3 household rule was always designed to be a maximum number, this is the complete opposite of how Covid Christmas was sold.

Hey have also announced today that schools and school years will have a staggered start in January which is very sensible


This will be supported by mass testing of pupils in school administered by schools themselves.

It is a pity they announce this 24 hours before schools break up leaving no time whatsoever to plan and out things in place before January. Apparently schools have to train up there own volunteers to undertake the tests.

Piss up and brewery definitely come to mind

Boris & Co love a grand headline but, they have no bloody idea to carry out their plans effectively.
There will be lots of people getting a "gift" that they dont want this Christmas and for what ??

Tuesday 15th December Tories say schools cannot close early and teach on line before Xmas . Children attending school is vital we will take schools to court if you close early to teach pupils on line


Thursday. 17th December all schools should stagger returns and teach children on line in January it is vital that schools do not all go back together to avoid spikes in Covid.

I cannot wait for February for the next stage of Eat out to help out before a lockdown in March !!!

I admire your optimism thinking it's not gonna be until March before the next national lockdown.

Should have made it clearer. Jan Lockdown, Feb Eat out to help out, March Lockdown

More leftism, can i become a mod, to add some much needed balance. Oh no, hang on, RLFans hates balance and anyone who doesn't own a whippet.

You could always argue against the points been made rather than just blaming lefties.

I will girls you with some questions or points for discussion

Boris Johnson Is the best PM Britain could have in the time of COVID discuss

Government policy on managing COVID over Xmas 2020 was a strategy based on clear thinking planning and decisive decision making discuss

Point 1 - Hunt would have been a far better leader for Covid than Boris - different skill set

Point 2 - this is a fast moving situation - the government tried to control movement over Christmas to minimise the impact - hence the 5 days - they believed the population wouldn't comply to a full lockdown over Christmas - things changed especially in the south - and we all know the South is the only thing that matters - so plans had to change - action was taken quickly - not sure what you wanted the government to do?

I think it's easy to forget that the early mess we found ourselves in was due to a lack of a pandemic management strategy and a shortage of PPE. Hunt was the previous Health minister and as such picks up a significant proportion of the blame(As does Burnham! albeit from some years ago)

The lack of PPE was down to mismanagement of the national stockpile. We received some laughable consignments that were utterly unusable. Had a Trust done the same with it's own equipment its feet wouldn't have touched the ground.

Again, leftism and no reality. I would rather have a pot plant running the country than Cringebin or Stammer.

You’re in luck then because we do.

How on earth can you blame ANYONE who was part of the last Labour administration for the current chaos is actually, ridiculous.
The Tories have been in charge for well over a decade and the current lack of strategy and planning is on their shoulders.

Have you forgotten last summer already.
Stay in, go out, stay in. Go to work, work from home, go to work.

It's been like a sick version of the hokey cokey, with peoples lives and livelihoods on the line.

Christmas, egged on by the Tory press will be another Covid disaster and in another 7/10 days time, we will see the effects of Boris's advice - numbers are already exploding and the period of peak pressure on the NHS isn't yet upon us

Burnham



We may as well blame Thatcher, after all, that bottle of milk was quite important to many of the poorest kids

As opposed to the pudding "running" the country we have now ?

The thread title was certainly accurate.

He'll be back shortly with his 'politics of envy' bollox.


As I caught Hislop explaining the other week, the bellend couldn't get his head around the simplicities of appearing on a tv panel show, never mind trying to be a nation's figurehead.

You're in luck, then, because the current PM is very much like a pot plant in that he too needs plenty of sun, takes a regular watering, and haphazardly spreads his seed everywhere.

Hunt had some difficult decisions to make - the Tories came into power with a financial crisis on their hands - not solely Labour's fault - to cash was squeezed. The NHS has a finite amount of money so how do you make the best use of the funding?

Do you invest in PPE just in case of a potential pamdemic - last one was around the time of the 1st world war or do you spend the money on the here and now - treat cataracts, hip replacements etc? Hindsight is great thing - ask Brown when he ordered all those vaccines. This wasn't incompetence it was an informed decision based on a set of circumstances.

Not sure you can blame Burnham

Actually a Flu Pandemic has been the most serious risk on the National Risk Register since 2004 - above everything including terrorism, floods etc. Government investment in a central buffer stock of PPE has been a lynchpin of response plans since then. This is because economies of scale make it better that they maintain large supplies of "in date" PPE rather than individual hospitals and GP Practises. Hospitals were literally told to only buy small amounts to tide them over until the central stocks were released.

Unfortunately we saw for ourselves that investment in the central buffer stock hadn't been what it should be when orders couldn't be processed due to shortages and we received items that were years past their expiry date and utterly unsuitable or unsafe. I could tell you stories that would make your hair stand on end.

While Covid19 wasn't influenza the PPE required was much the same as would've been needed for a flu pandemic.

I hope this particular part of the shambles isn't forgotten about when the public enquiry is held.

would that be a GLOBAL PUBLIC ENQUIRY?

I'm not with you. What?

Well, the WHO have been blocked from China, nearly 2 million will have died worldwide, so why would an anti-tory UK public enquiry be sufficient?

other than to suit the political agenda of some on here?