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This is utterly shameful, our government has purposefully created homelessness and child poverty. The EU has given us funds to try and alleviate these, but the cash hasn’t been spent and is to be given back.
The Conservatives don’t even want to use EU money to help the homeless or children in poverty. I can only think this strategy, to willingly keep people in destitute situations, is so people living just above this level, struggling to get by, think themselves as the lucky ones and less likely to fight for change.
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This is utterly shameful, our government has purposefully created homelessness and child poverty. The EU has given us funds to try and alleviate these, but the cash hasn’t been spent and is to be given back.
The Conservatives don’t even want to use EU money to help the homeless or children in poverty. I can only think this strategy, to willingly keep people in destitute situations, is so people living just above this level, struggling to get by, think themselves as the lucky ones and less likely to fight for change.
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They really are the nasty party - and I'm afraid that if they manage to force a hard brexit through, they'll become even nastier.
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Yay, lets all look left, The Sin Bin way.
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| Quote ="IR80"Yay, lets all look left, The Sin Bin way.'"
Yeah....let's applaud the idiot Boris and wonder why Warrington will once again be the target of IRA Bombings?
[urlhttps://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43208893[/url
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Yeah....let's applaud the idiot Boris and wonder why Warrington will once again be the target of IRA Bombings?
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You are entitled to an opinion, but as you don't live here, I am uncertain what importance it has. |
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| Quote ="IR80"You are entitled to an opinion, but as you don't live here, I am uncertain what importance it has.'"
Insular as ever  .....BUT NICE DEFLECTION.
Boris wasn't eve born in the UK........I was. |
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Yeah....let's applaud the idiot Boris and wonder why Warrington will once again be the target of IRA Bombings?
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Yeah let's take what he said out of context. He was trying to explain how technology could prevent the need for a hard border. But you already knew that didn't you? |
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get rid of the monarchy,we could build loads of decent homes after Buckingham palace demolished
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| Quote ="fosdyke99"get rid of the monarchy,we could build loads of decent homes after Buckingham palace demolished'"
utter b'shine, do you have any idea what tourism adds to the national income? |
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we need rid of the grubs,shove her and her other spongers in a 2 up 2 down.get in the real world.
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When I go and look around the Palace of Versailles I can't help but think an actual monarchy would make the place seem better.
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| Quote ="IR80"utter b'shine, do you have any idea what tourism adds to the national income?'"
The myth of tourism generated by the Royal Family strikes again 
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Forbes:
"According to the latest Sovereign Grant accounts that were published last week, taxpayers in the UK are forking over more money than ever for the Royal Family. The monarchy cost £67 million ($86 million) in 2018-19, a 41% increase on the previous financial year. It has also emerged that the renovation of Frogmore Cottage, the official residence of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, cost £2.4 million of public funding, despite the fact that it was a gift provided to the couple by the Queen."
Viva la revolution.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Forbes:
"According to the latest Sovereign Grant accounts that were published last week, taxpayers in the UK are forking over more money than ever for the Royal Family. The monarchy cost £67 million ($86 million) in 2018-19, a 41% increase on the previous financial year. It has also emerged that the renovation of Frogmore Cottage, the official residence of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, cost £2.4 million of public funding, despite the fact that it was a gift provided to the couple by the Queen."
Viva la revolution.'"
Hold on . On another thread people of a left wing persuasion were calling £280 million a tiny amount for health tourists.(other estimates put it up to £4.5 BILLION).Now all of a sudden £67 million is a massive amount. At least we get a return for the royal family . Granted some are a waste of space. Make your minds up |
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"Hold on . On another thread people of a left wing persuasion were calling £280 million a tiny amount for health tourists.(other estimates put it up to £4.5 BILLION).Now all of a sudden £67 million is a massive amount. At least we get a return for the royal family . Granted some are a waste of space. Make your minds up'"
Mind? are you seriously suggesting any leftys have salient capacity? |
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"Hold on . On another thread people of a left wing persuasion were calling £280 million a tiny amount for health tourists.(other estimates put it up to £4.5 BILLION).Now all of a sudden £67 million is a massive amount. At least we get a return for the royal family . Granted some are a waste of space. Make your minds up'"
That's a good attempt - but the argument about the health tourism lie, was about the estimated figure, as a proportion of the overall NHS budget.
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| Quote ="bren2k"That's a good attempt - but the argument about the health tourism lie, was about the estimated figure, as a proportion of the overall NHS budget.
The "return" for the Royal Family is difficult to quantify, because there are some rather arcane calculations used in most cases; personally, I object to them at a more fundamental level than just the money.'"
You could always move to a country with no monarchy, I am sure I can set up a go fund me page to help you out. |
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| Quote ="IR80"You could always move to a country with no monarchy, I am sure I can set up a go fund me page to help you out.'"
I was intending to do exactly that, until the gammon uprising removed my freedom of movement. |
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| Quote ="bren2k"I was intending to do exactly that, until the gammon uprising removed my freedom of movement.'"
Nobody has removed any freedom of movement, and the word GAMMON is a slur, stop reading the Mirror, Star.
Maybe try an actual book? You know, one with facts in, I bet you're gutted now Love Island has finished. |
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| Quote ="bren2k"That's a good attempt - but the argument about the health tourism lie, was about the estimated figure, as a proportion of the overall NHS budget.
The "return" for the Royal Family is difficult to quantify, because there are some rather arcane calculations used in most cases; personally, I object to them at a more fundamental level than just the money.'"
Which budget it comes from is irrelevant. The Govt has a pot of money to spend and , among other things,it comes from tax and NI . It's the amount that counts. Now you can argue that you want a republic and that's fair enough but the fact is we spend more on health tourists than we do on the royal family. We can argue till we're blue in the face about the return on the royal family or what the actual cost of health tourism is but the fact remains we spend more on one than the other. |
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"Which budget it comes from is irrelevant. The Govt has a pot of money to spend and , among other things,it comes from tax and NI . It's the amount that counts. Now you can argue that you want a republic and that's fair enough but the fact is we spend more on health tourists than we do on the royal family. We can argue till we're blue in the face about the return on the royal family or what the actual cost of health tourism is but the fact remains we spend more on one than the other.'"
It's relevant to me; as I said, I'm quite content that if someone has a medical emergency whilst in the UK, we treat them - and the numbers who are deliberate co-called 'health tourists' are so vanishingly small, as to not be worth pursuing.
The decision to spend 70 million quid on an inbred, extended family who have inherited wealth and privilege because their ancestors oppressed and enslaved poor people, is an entirely different thing; so aside from the morals of it, you're creating a false equivalence. |
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| Quote ="bren2k"It's relevant to me; as I said, I'm quite content that if someone has a medical emergency whilst in the UK, we treat them - and the numbers who are deliberate co-called 'health tourists' are so vanishingly small, as to not be worth pursuing.
The decision to spend 70 million quid on an inbred, extended family who have inherited wealth and privilege because their ancestors oppressed and enslaved poor people, is an entirely different thing; so aside from the morals of it, you're creating a false equivalence.'"
True colurs on show, envy, nothing more. Diddums, did they steal your Whippet (in developing news, the earth isn't flat) |
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| Quote ="bren2k"That's a good attempt - but the argument about the health tourism lie, was about the estimated figure, as a proportion of the overall NHS budget.
The "return" for the Royal Family is difficult to quantify, because there are some rather arcane calculations used in most cases; personally, I object to them at a more fundamental level than just the money.'"
I object to health tourists as a matter of principle not just the cash |
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| Quote ="bren2k"It's relevant to me; as I said, I'm quite content that if someone has a medical emergency whilst in the UK, we treat them - and the numbers who are deliberate co-called 'health tourists' are so vanishingly small, as to not be worth pursuing.
The decision to spend 70 million quid on an inbred, extended family who have inherited wealth and privilege because their ancestors oppressed and enslaved poor people, is an entirely different thing; so aside from the morals of it, you're creating a false equivalence.'"
Although as a human being I get the emergency thing,however it still sticks in my craw that we wouldn't get the same courtesy in other countries I could name. |
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Quote ="bren2k"Forbes:
"According to the latest Sovereign Grant accounts that were published last week, taxpayers in the UK are forking over more money than ever for the Royal Family. The monarchy cost £67 million ($86 million) in 2018-19, a 41% increase on the previous financial year. It has also emerged that the renovation of Frogmore Cottage, the official residence of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, cost £2.4 million of public funding, despite the fact that it was a gift provided to the couple by the Queen."
Viva la revolution.'"
You are talking solely about the Sovereign Grant at c£70m. The actual cost is estimated at c£350m https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... 45436.html
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Quote ="bren2k"Forbes:
"According to the latest Sovereign Grant accounts that were published last week, taxpayers in the UK are forking over more money than ever for the Royal Family. The monarchy cost £67 million ($86 million) in 2018-19, a 41% increase on the previous financial year. It has also emerged that the renovation of Frogmore Cottage, the official residence of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, cost £2.4 million of public funding, despite the fact that it was a gift provided to the couple by the Queen."
Viva la revolution.'"
You are talking solely about the Sovereign Grant at c£70m. The actual cost is estimated at c£350m https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... 45436.html
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