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That first half is inexusable. I don't care how many injuries we've got, you want the players out there to make the effort and not let players waltz through them.

And the worst part is, that fightback will make the players think they've done enough to make up for it all. No. I want an absolute leathering of someone. Losing to Toulouse is not good enough no matter how much we've scored in the second half. That was not good enough. We only had Lee Doran and Thackery making the effort. Whatever the reason for our performance, be it under preperation, be it not having a great start, draw a line under it and improve.

I am so disappointed. We've got a lot of work to do this week.

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Frustrating isn't the word is it?

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Chris, I dont think there is a lack of effort in defence. Lack of cohesion and structure - Yes.

We are just undone far too easily on our own line and even more so by kicks over the top or through. In some ways though that is Cull's style. Score more than the opposition and he will live by that.

The fightback would probably have covered over things until next week like the Dewsbury result did.

The truth is that at the moment we cant cope with the injuries and we dont have the cover or depth in the squad to cover some key injuries nor even interchanges at the moment.

The halves is becoming a key area for us because Thacks is good but he cant do it all alone. Im not having a dig at Chris Gerrard who I think has done reasonably well fitting into an unfamiliar position but we need Webbo back A.S.A.P .

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Tough month ahead too in the Championship..............................

Sun 25 Apr
Batley Bulldogs V Widnes Vikings

Fri 30 Apr
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Thu 6 May
Barrow Raiders V Widnes Vikings

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Agree with the comments about teams finding it too easy to score near our line. I do think thought, that that 17 was more than equipped to beat Toulouse. Was surprised Cull took Doran (who is our leading defender) off after only 20 minutes when it was 12-12. It was 12-30 when he came back on. Too much turnstile defending and shoulder grabbing.

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Quote: widneslardboy "Chris, I dont think there is a lack of effort in defence. Lack of cohesion and structure - Yes.

We are just undone far too easily on our own line and even more so by kicks over the top or through. In some ways though that is Cull's style. Score more than the opposition and he will live by that.

The fightback would probably have covered over things until next week like the Dewsbury result did.

The truth is that at the moment we cant cope with the injuries and we dont have the cover or depth in the squad to cover some key injuries nor even interchanges at the moment.

The halves is becoming a key area for us because Thacks is good but he cant do it all alone. Im not having a dig at Chris Gerrard who I think has done reasonably well fitting into an unfamiliar position but we need Webbo back A.S.A.P .'"


Problem is though that we've probably only got Webbo and Ford to come back soon. Gaskell is at least a month away, Allen 6 weeks at the last count and Pickersgill and Haggerty long term. Webbo should help the organisation, but I just can't see either player making that much difference. Says it all really that James 1st run and he got smashed. Gannon got smashed quite a few times and pretty much all of the forwards struggled at times. I know we can't just keep going out and sign forward after forward but it appears to me that unless a couple of new players, plus getting a couple back from injury I can't see us going anywhere this season. IMO we have too many players who just aren't good enough. Age is one thing but I get the feeling with a few of ours that even if they were 3 or 4 years older they still wouldn't be good enough.

Not sure how much of our form and poor defence comes from the coach though. Even if we did have everyone back, would we defend any better? Ironic reallly that PC analyses every SL game every week and tells the viewers and I suppose the coaches who watch the show where they are going wrong, but yet can't seem to get it right himself.

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You need to blame Cullen and O'Connor if your "squad" is not up to scratch.

You assemble one at he beginning of the season to cope with the injuries that may be thrown at you during the course of the season.

We had our problems early doors and came through relatively unscathed. Why? Because our coach and Chairman had assembled a "squad" to cope with the season ahead.

At the moment we are fortunate to have just one player unavalable but 4 weeks ago this was not the case but we came through it with just one defeat at York and a draw at home to Barrow.

Cullen and O'Connor maybe talk the talk, however do they walk the walk????

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Quote: littlerich "Tough month ahead too in the Championship..............................

Sun 25 Apr
Batley Bulldogs V Widnes Vikings

Fri 30 Apr
Widnes Vikings V Featherstone Rovers

Thu 6 May
Barrow Raiders V Widnes Vikings'"


Maybe if win these games the mood will change again. a014.gif I know alot of doom here but if we can get players fired up and motivated we have the ability.Time to improve defence for the next few games.All about attitude. icon_wink.gif

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Our defence was a real worry last night every time the Ausise Frogs got anywhere near our 25 they scored with ease.
I was surprised when the Aussie Frogs came onto the pitch how much bigger and athletic they seemed than us, they looked like a SL side.
I would honestly say that was probably the most professional performance I have seen from a team in this division this season.

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The Attitude of the Widnes players stank in the first half last night, Toulouse ran harder and tackled stronger and we were pathetic in every area. The comeback in the second half was noted but it still leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

Not good enough.

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Quote: leyther forever "You need to blame Cullen and O'Connor if your "squad" is not up to scratch.

You assemble one at he beginning of the season to cope with the injuries that may be thrown at you during the course of the season.

We had our problems early doors and came through relatively unscathed. Why? Because our coach and Chairman had assembled a "squad" to cope with the season ahead.

At the moment we are fortunate to have just one player unavalable but 4 weeks ago this was not the case but we came through it with just one defeat at York and a draw at home to Barrow.

Cullen and O'Connor maybe talk the talk, however do they walk the walk????'"


What a complete crock of !!!!
At one point we had something like 10 squad players unavailable and the situation is only marginally better now with some players playing through the pain barrier at the moment.

The only solution would be to have a larger squad and when you are trying to stick to a cap of £300k that is nigh on impossible.

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Agreed, i would like to see another championship squad cope with 10 missing.

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Quote: -VIKINGMAN- "The Attitude of the Widnes players stank in the first half last night, Toulouse ran harder and tackled stronger and we were pathetic in every area. The comeback in the second half was noted but it still leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

Not good enough.'"


VM,

I don't really disagree with you but there are a number of factors that went into that display... the implosion happened when our two senior players went off the pitch at the same time. Smith and Gannon go off and the rout began. It wasn't until these players came back on that we looked anything like ourselves again. We have three 'leaders' Smith, Gannon and Webster... last night for 30 - 40 minutes none of these guys were on the pitch... ordinarily it might not have mattered too much but Wynn had an exceptional game last night.
There are also a number of players who are playing with knocks and injuries.. I know Houghton (hand), Koe Love (shoulder) and Coyle (hand) are still some way short of fitness but have stepped up to offer themselves for selection.

I'm surprised by the overreaction on here...
Toulouse performed very very well last night and a lot of teams would have struggled against them. They were quick and aggressive in attack, their kicking game was immaculate and constantly put us under pressure and they slowed the ptb down when defending and defended well as a unit. It didn't help that there were so many individual errors from our side and we were undone to an extent by some sloppy play.. I think this will be a one match blip and we won't be so complacent again.
I certainly don't think it was as bad as some are making out.

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Quote: No Lucifer "
I would honestly say that was probably the most professional performance I have seen from a team in this division this season.'"


I'd agree with that... they looked very good indeed.

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Quote: Chris B "VM,

I don't really disagree with you but there are a number of factors that went into that display... the implosion happened when our two senior players went off the pitch at the same time. Smith and Gannon go off and the rout began. It wasn't until these players came back on that we looked anything like ourselves again. We have three 'leaders' Smith, Gannon and Webster... last night for 30 - 40 minutes none of these guys were on the pitch... ordinarily it might not have mattered too much but Wynn had an exceptional game last night.
There are also a number of players who are playing with knocks and injuries.. I know Houghton (hand), Koe Love (shoulder) and Coyle (hand) are still some way short of fitness but have stepped up to offer themselves for selection.

I'm surprised by the overreaction on here...
Toulouse performed very very well last night and a lot of teams would have struggled against them. They were quick and aggressive in attack, their kicking game was immaculate and constantly put us under pressure and they slowed the ptb down when defending and defended well as a unit. It didn't help that there were so many individual errors from our side and we were undone to an extent by some sloppy play.. I think this will be a one match blip and we won't be so complacent again.
I certainly don't think it was as bad as some are making out.'"


I would go along with that mate, Webster is back in training so will probably make a show next week, we have Heckenberg to come in and having both of them fit and ready will be a huge bonus. Gerrard can then move back to loose forward and we will start functioning as a team again.

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