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| I can fully understand the frustration about the performance on Saturday on here. However, as a general rule in sport, people are too quick to call for the head of the coach. The coach is only one element to a successful team. History will tell you that the most successful teams don’t chop and change their coaches just because of a bad run of form. In fact changing the coaches frequently seems to have a detrimental effect on a team’s ability to have continued success. Consistency is the key to a successful team and given it can take at least a season or two to get ‘your team’ assembled, that is simply impossible if you change the coach each year.
In my opinion it’s only fair to judge Agar starting from this season. It’s a fact that the amount and length of injuries we had over the past two seasons ruined any chance of success. Look at Leeds, three times SL Champions for example this year. Of course the coach will get some decisions wrong every now and again. For example, bench rotation and player selection. For me the blame should be shared equally amongst him and his assistant as well as all the players, particularly the senior ones. In reference to the Salford game, Agar would have given the team a game plan to win but they simply didn’t give themselves a chance to execute it. He didn’t make those incredible amount of handling errors and give away endless amount of penalties. With the amount of extra possession you are giving the other team, even the best sides in the world would struggle with those statistics. It came down to desire and motivation and that is one area Agar needs to improve. However, players have only 80 mins out of an entire week to be motivated enough to play at an intense level. Even if the players don’t play for the coach and don’t have respect for him (which I doubt is the case), they should be professional enough to motivate themselves and each other. They should be able to find motivation elsewhere if it’s not forthcoming from Agar. Whether it’s their own reputation that’s at stake, not letting their team mates down, playing for the badge and the fans or even simply the fact they get paid very well to do it! They shouldn’t need the riot act to be read before every game and again at half time just to get up for it. There is also the fact that Moore doesn’t appear to be helping in this area. He needs to stand up and be counted too. Sometimes you need your assistant to “assist” in areas you are not so skilled at, yet nobody seems to look at this.
From what I understand Agar is highly respected by his peers, a true judge of someone’s worth in their position. I think he has improved the team on and off the field this year. Ok we have had some poor away form that needs addressing. Our edge defence on both sides is the biggest concern for me, not the ability of the coach to motivate players who should be doing that themselves anyway.
What isn’t needed is a knee jerk reaction for change as soon as we have a tough patch, something most teams experience throughout a season. Judge him at the end of the season and if it’s still not working then fair enough. I think they will respond against KR and Warrington and silence a few of their critics.
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| We've had two seasons of a tough patch!
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| Good post Andy. How long was AF at Man Utd before they won anything?
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| Quote: daveh "Good post Andy. How long was AF at Man Utd before they won anything?'"
3 years. However their really is no comparison.
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| Please get the England Job...
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| Quote: daveh "Good post Andy. How long was AF at Man Utd before they won anything?'"
Wayne Bennett had 10 years at Brisbane Broncos and is another example of sticking with a coach.
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| fcandy can you seriously say in 2+ years Agar been in charge say you have seen improvement in playing style, motivation and game plan??? because i only see individual improvements......... I'm in no way callin for head yet but give next 3 games thats it!!
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| Quote: fcandy "Wayne Bennett had 10 years at Brisbane Broncos and is another example of sticking with a coach.'"
you are kidding right?? you are surely just stating that for geek value and not that we should stick with Agar for 10???
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| Quote: wilsonshull "fcandy can you seriously say in 2+ years Agar been in charge say you have seen improvement in playing style, motivation and game plan??? because i only see individual improvements......... I'm in no way callin for head yet but give next 3 games thats it!!'"
No, like I said in my original post, he can only be judged on this season IMO as this is his team that he has assembled and recruited. I can honestly say that with his team, overall, there has been an improvement from last year. I think it would very harsh to sack a coach who has won every home game so far (including KR friendly) plus getting a win away to Saints. Just think he should be given more time.
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| Quote: fcandy " Just think he should be given more time.'"
to pack his things and get the ferk outta dodge
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| Quote: GODS UNDERTAKER "you are kidding right?? you are surely just stating that for geek value and not that we should stick with Agar for 10???
I think you know I didn't mean let’s stick with him for 10 years. Not sure what you mean about 'geek value' in the context of what I said? How could the board justify sacking him after he has won every home game so far (including KR friendly) plus getting a win away to Saints? Look I'm as frustrated as everyone else; I’m just trying to see the bigger picture and not just the two bad away performances. The negativity of the fans at times must transfer to the players and ultimately their performances. I understand the negativity is born out of frustration of 2008 / 2009 season. Just let’s give this season a chance first before writing it off. It’s what you do at the end of the season that counts.
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| Quote: GODS UNDERTAKER "to pack his things and get the ferk outta dodge'"
If we got a new coach and he lost the first three games you would be chanting for his removal! What are your expectations for the season, win every game? A top four finish and one of the finals to me would be a great season. We are on course to do that so chill out with the lynch mob attitude!
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| Quote: fcandy "I think you know I didn't mean let’s stick with him for 10 years. Not sure what you mean about 'geek value' in the context of what I said? How could the board justify sacking him after he has won every home game so far (including KR friendly) plus getting a win away to Saints? Look I'm as frustrated as everyone else; I’m just trying to see the bigger picture and not just the two bad away performances. The negativity of the fans at times must transfer to the players and ultimately their performances. I understand the negativity is born out of frustration of 2008 / 2009 season. Just let’s give this season a chance first before writing it off. It’s what you do at the end of the season that counts.'" Nail on the head for me that.
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| Quote: fcandy "If we got a new coach and he lost the first three games you would be chanting for his removal! What are your expectations for the season, win every game? A top four finish and one of the finals to me would be a great season. We are on course to do that so chill out with the lynch mob attitude!'"
your entitled to your "happy to trot along" opinion and i am entitled to mine, maybe I just demand more from my team than you expect??
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| Quote: GODS UNDERTAKER "your entitled to your "happy to trot along" opinion and i am entitled to mine, maybe I just demand more from my team than you expect??'" If he's entitled to his opinion, why the dig at it?
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