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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"As for how the lad feels, maybe it's your club who is leaking stuff to the press to try and destabalise the deal'"
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"He can only sign a contract with Hull which starts 1st November as all RFL contracts run november to october. Hull's contract with josh griffin will run from 1/11/16 even though it's been signed now. The only difference here is that connor's birthday must be in November so his contract start date is 1st december. We can't sign him to play before his current deal runs out but he has been free to talk to other clubs since may and he's seemingly signed a deal with Hull post his medical last week which has been lodged with the RFL.
It's all pretty simple I think but if he doesn;t want to come there's no point making him but we need compensating for the loss of a player and we don;t know what other targets we've missed out on in the meantime.
As for how the lad feels, maybe it's your club who is leaking stuff to the press to try and destabalise the deal'"
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"He will be playing his home games at the Kcom in 2017.'"
thats a very confident statement,Mr Connor needs to make a statement himself otherwise this story will just rumble on |
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Quote ="jools"So you are accusing giants of leaking stuff when they knew nothing about the arrangement with Hull FC
 as far as they were concerned they were still in negotiations!
FC were trying to get out of paying a fee for a player we have put thousands into developing- but you now expect us to compensate YOU.
We will compensate you the amount you compensated us- how's that???'"
Despite Thewlis' claims FC owe compensation, the Mail understands the RFL have confirmed to the Black and Whites no fee is owed due to the fact Connor turns 22 before his contract at Hull begins.
Such is the bizarre nature of what has become a complicated deal, Hull could even find themselves receiving a six-figure sum for a player who has never played for them if the disagreement reaches the courts and Connor chooses to stay in Huddersfield.
www.hulldailymail.co.uk/hull-fc- ... 61UtovW.99 |
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Quote ="jools"So you are accusing giants of leaking stuff when they knew nothing about the arrangement with Hull FC
as far as they were concerned they were still in negotiations!
FC were trying to get out of paying a fee for a player we have put thousands into developing- but you now expect us to compensate YOU.
We will compensate you the amount you compensated us- how's that???'"
Despite Thewlis' claims FC owe compensation, the Mail understands the RFL have confirmed to the Black and Whites no fee is owed due to the fact Connor turns 22 before his contract at Hull begins.
Such is the bizarre nature of what has become a complicated deal, Hull could even find themselves receiving a six-figure sum for a player who has never played for them if the disagreement reaches the courts and Connor chooses to stay in Huddersfield.
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To be honest if it was me in the middle of all of this I would say to Huddersfield and Thewlis thanks but no thanks. If Huddersfield wanted to keep him and make sure they didn't lose him to a rival club then they should have made him an offer that would have kept him there. Instead they appear to have offered him a deal which wasnt attractive enough to Jake Connor but now they have the very real chance he has gone they now want to offer him a greater deal???
My question to Thewlis if I were Jake Connor is why didnt you value me in the first place before anyone else came?
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The point of dispute here is quite simple as has been stated Rugby League contracts run 1st Nov onwards unless hey are terminated due to a transfer mid season.
If Connor was already 22 no problem but clearly Hull think they have found a way to avoid a significant compensation amount to Huddersfield by signing him from Dec 1st.
In the RFL rules it clearly states that compensation is due if we make him a contract offer which we did.
However what is not in the rules is whether it is the contract signing date or contract start date that determines this. Typical shoddy RL not having worked things through.
Bearing in mind the '22' rule is to protect clubs who have developed players from juniors sense would be that it would be the day he signs to become a Hull FC player or you would have signed him from Nov 1st the day after his contract ends with us.
Whilst he remains contracted to us until seasons end he has been announced as a Hull FC player and signed a contract so stating prior to his contract end date with us and prior to his 22nd birthday I'm not bothered for keeping him but if roles were reversed and we were signing one of your players on this basis you'd be crying 'foul' just the same.
If you've found a loophole and it works good luck but you might be the next club to get caught out by this and I don't blame Hull just the wishy washy RFL as the Dec 1 contract start is clearly about avoiding compensation which is not why the '22' rule was introduced.
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The point of dispute here is quite simple as has been stated Rugby League contracts run 1st Nov onwards unless hey are terminated due to a transfer mid season.
If Connor was already 22 no problem but clearly Hull think they have found a way to avoid a significant compensation amount to Huddersfield by signing him from Dec 1st.
In the RFL rules it clearly states that compensation is due if we make him a contract offer which we did.
However what is not in the rules is whether it is the contract signing date or contract start date that determines this. Typical shoddy RL not having worked things through.
Bearing in mind the '22' rule is to protect clubs who have developed players from juniors sense would be that it would be the day he signs to become a Hull FC player or you would have signed him from Nov 1st the day after his contract ends with us.
Whilst he remains contracted to us until seasons end he has been announced as a Hull FC player and signed a contract so stating prior to his contract end date with us and prior to his 22nd birthday I'm not bothered for keeping him but if roles were reversed and we were signing one of your players on this basis you'd be crying 'foul' just the same.
If you've found a loophole and it works good luck but you might be the next club to get caught out by this and I don't blame Hull just the wishy washy RFL as the Dec 1 contract start is clearly about avoiding compensation which is not why the '22' rule was introduced.
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not sure why everyone is getting their pants in a tangle about this.
One club is stating that everything has been ratified by the RFL. The RFL would be very quick to deny this if it needed to be denied.
The player has remained fairly tight lipped on this other then comments make in the post match interview on Thursday evening.
This issue now stems from a regional rag who have chosen to hide behind the "The Post understands" get out safety net which basically implies there is a rumour doing the rounds and they have no solid evidence.
Until either the player or the club(s) state otherwise, I would go with what has been announced by the parties involved.
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It's nothing to do with loopholes, players can only be registered to play with one club at any one time (ignoring dual-reg/loan deals).
He has a contract with you until 31st October, and then with us from the 1st November.
If he was still 21 on 1st November, then that's a different matter, as the RFL rules clearly state.
Clubs/players often announce they have signed for another team while still fulfilling their existing contract, it's nothing new.
He was offered a contract by Huddersfield and had until the end of May to accept/decline it.
He chose to reject it and was then free to look elsewhere.
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I think the statement issued by Hull FC pretty much clears things up as regard to who's player he is next year. He seemed happy to be coming and there's little doubt that everything has been done correctly with regard to the contract.
I think both clubs need to know the players intentions and it's disapointing that the player or his agent have not cleared the matter up so that both clubs and the player can concentrate on the end of season battles they face albeit at opposite ends of the table. Only Connor can say whether or not he intends to play for his new club. I can't see the Giants stumping up a big fee for him just out of sheer embarrassment at having messed things up so badly. Yet they are the one's valuing him at £100,000 plus. So if he wants to stay with them I hope Hull go to town on the both of them for creating this mess in the first place..
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i see it as a non-story,Hull have signed him well within the rules with the blessing of the RFL,Huddersfield don't like it and without checking their facts with the RFL have spouted off to the media. This has created the problem and caused hull fc to defend their actions and clear things up. Connor has no need to come out and say anything other than what he has already said. it done and dusted and he's moved on. It's a shame the Huddersfield club can't do the same and accept he's slipped away,it happens to all clubs at some time and this time around it's their turn to suck it up.
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I'm sure that the club have been in dialogue with connor so there's no need for him to say anything and it would leave him as a target for the hudds fans for the rest of the season if he does.
The rfl have confirmed he is our player for 2017
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"The point of dispute here is quite simple as has been stated Rugby League contracts run 1st Nov onwards unless hey are terminated due to a transfer mid season.
If Connor was already 22 no problem but clearly Hull think they have found a way to avoid a significant compensation amount to Huddersfield by signing him from Dec 1st.
In the RFL rules it clearly states that compensation is due if we make him a contract offer which we did.
However what is not in the rules is whether it is the contract signing date or contract start date that determines this. Typical shoddy RL not having worked things through.
Bearing in mind the '22' rule is to protect clubs who have developed players from juniors sense would be that it would be the day he signs to become a Hull FC player or you would have signed him from Nov 1st the day after his contract ends with us.
Whilst he remains contracted to us until seasons end he has been announced as a Hull FC player and signed a contract so stating prior to his contract end date with us and prior to his 22nd birthday I'm not bothered for keeping him but if roles were reversed and we were signing one of your players on this basis you'd be crying 'foul' just the same.
If you've found a loophole and it works good luck but you might be the next club to get caught out by this and I don't blame Hull just the wishy washy RFL as the Dec 1 contract start is clearly about avoiding compensation which is not why the '22' rule was introduced.'"
Jake Connor will be 22 on the 18th October, so whatever the reason for his contract with Hull starting on the 1st December as opposed to the 1st November it seems it has nothing to do with avoiding having to pay compensation. |
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I really don't think we want him now he has told us he wants to stay at hudds. We need to agree a realistic fee with them in private and let him stay
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I really don't think we want him now he has told us he wants to stay at hudds. We need to agree a realistic fee with them in private and let him stay'"
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| Quote ="Smiggs"Agreed, need to sort this and move on. Lad seems at best a bit immature at worst a poor professional.'"
He's only done what our coach did albeit in reverse although connor is a bit older. I don't blame the lad as much as his current club and his agent. Time for us to act in a professional manner and move on |
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After all the indignation originally spouted from the Giants camp, it seems they're the guilty party here.
Hope the club make a stand, but also hope we resolve this swiftly. If he's not coming we will need to do some more recruitment, and we can't afford to hang about.
Maybe use Michaels quota spot and get a half back in?
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Just seems tailor made now for Brough. I'd take a punt despite everything because he's better than what we have or are likely to get elsewhere. He supposedly wants to come and it gives Hudds a way out"
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| Quote ="ChrisH"Just seems tailor made now for Brough. I'd take a punt despite everything because he's better than what we have or are likely to get elsewhere. He supposedly wants to come and it gives Hudds a way out"'"
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Maybe this was the plan all along!!
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| Quote ="ChrisH"Just seems tailor made now for Brough. I'd take a punt despite everything because he's better than what we have or are likely to get elsewhere. He supposedly wants to come and it gives Hudds a way out"'"
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| Quote ="Dave K."Maybe this was the plan all along!!'"
I doubt we have anyone so devious at the club to carry that out but it always seemed an odd signing to me |
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| Quote ="ChrisH"Just seems tailor made now for Brough. I'd take a punt despite everything because he's better than what we have or are likely to get elsewhere. He supposedly wants to come and it gives Hudds a way out"'"
Now you've said it, it makes perfect sense.
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| Quote ="Irregular Hoops"After all the indignation originally spouted from the Giants camp, it seems they're the guilty party here.
Hope the club make a stand, but also hope we resolve this swiftly. If he's not coming we will need to do some more recruitment, and we can't afford to hang about.
Maybe use Michaels quota spot and get a half back in?'"
How are Giants a "guilty party"
We had no idea what had been discussed with you, Connor and that master of contracts himself his agent Iestyn Harris! Mostly because it appears there was no dialogue with your club and his current club.
Offering a contract to a currently contracted player who -according to your second statement- hadn't actually signed a contract with you? Is that it? What exactly are they guilty of? Please tell
Seems to me a naive 21 year old has been used by a terrible agent and two clubs- and tgen threatened with legal action by FC, great start.
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as far as they were concerned they were still in negotiations! 
