Yes this, like you said above we could have quiet easily have had another 4 or 5 wins but for a call her and there, the Warrington game the most obvious one but also, Leeds, Hull, Hull KR and Bradford and that would put a different reflection on the season. The biggest downer performances were the Bradford home one, the London away game followed by the Cas home game, those 3 ed me off no end.

Not good enough to be a top level coach. All this talk about about having a few more wins on the board, no one mentions the games against hull and Salford which we could easily have lost.

We cant defend thats for sure and with this set of players should have had more wins.Like him or not hes got another 2 years left on his contract after this season and you can bet your life he will see it out just like he did at Hull even in the face of loads of abuse.Dont think he has it to be honest and by the looks of things couldnt put fire in a well lit BBQ.Do I think we can do better than Agar has us doing a big yes but get used to the idea of him as our coach and the down turn in attendance.

Told buy a first team member that Agar was like a horse in foal with Washbrook and Wood when he first arrived, and also the same two sat on his table while eating at the club after training laughing at Agar's poor jokes, I will also say Wakefield had 3 far better players in the squad in Ellis, Wildie and Moore ? Kyle Wood could not kick a barn door, his defence is weak, and offers nothing in creativity ? Ask his former 6 clubs who released him, Wakefield acadamy, Doncaster, Batley, Cas, Sheffield, Hudds, WHY does this clown Agar play him, and WHY would Nathan Brown at Hudds give him away for nothing, It beggars belief !!!

Still prepared to consider that the squad is a bit "thrown together" and would be prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt until after some off-season recruitment. I am more bothered about how far off the eight we are than the actual league position number. If we are nowhere near the eight this time next year, he's done for me.

Must admit I expected better with the players we have, we just don't learn from our mistakes, week by week it's the same old,same old.

Don't know any details but from the outside the Ellis affair leaves a bitter taste with me, the lad just has not had a fair crack ( Wood must be some player)

Just like a lot on here, Agar would not have been my choice, especially on a 3 year contract, BUT we have him now and like Slugger says we have to make the eight next season for him to continue.

For me we are underachieving and much of it can be layed at Agars door. Baffling team selections and use of interchanges, a reluctance to play a forth prop preferring to play a guy out of position, an inability to improve a porous defence, terrible 2nd half tactics, the list goes on.

Yes we are stuck with him and yes he probably deserves a chance to prove himself next year but i'm afraid i don't have much confidence in his ability to improve matters. That said i'd love him to prove me wrong.

Yeah I don't think it would be fair to start calling for his head until he's had the opportunity to sign some players of his own. We do have some good individuals in the team, but if you look at the teams around us then you could argue that they all have similar squads and nowhere near competing for the top 8, like ourselves.

I quite like him as a bloke and hope he can be the one to lead us to bigger things... (next year!!)

Unfortunately we can do nothing about Agar other than keep giving the club our opinions via these messageboards and letters to the club/media. Just keep counting the days down and hope Glover doesn't listen to Elston when Agar requests a contract extension.

Presume that the next big stink will be when Agar releases Ellis but keeps Wood or transfers Walshaw but keeps Mellars?

He obviously has many skills but he is not a Super League coach. But to be fair some of his team should also take a kicking as well. Is the condition of the players as good as it could be to sustaine 80mins of play? I think agar is an excellent assistant coach but given the fact that we are in the final few weeks of this season and he is still talking about the next game and the next. Is it now next season? then when we are not performing in 2013 will it be the next season? Fact is he has not pulled any rabbits out of the hat. John Kear with this current team would have done a lot better.

This.

Agar for me as to get us in or very close to top 8 next season or he should go, he as a chance to put his stamp on the squad,get rid of the slackers and bring in a bit or quality.. time is ticking Mr Agar...

I would give him until next season let him have a proper off season. I am quite worried our team makes the same daft errors week in week out and I didn't agree with Ellis going on loan and Trout preffered to Mariano most of the time. The brand of rugby he is trying to make us play is exciting, but its also frustrating i.e. a lot of fizz but no final product. Kear without doubt would be doing a better job with this current squad ! But I am prepared to give Agar half way through next season if we are not near the 8 I would sack him.

Problem Agar has is that building an attacking structure is fairly easy - If you have enough decent players then under the right condition good attacking RL will take place. As has been the case on occasion this season. Very few players at SL level have any problem joining the fun when the game is in their favour - hell if you can't enjoy that part of the game then you're in the wrong game.

Building a defensive structure which is what gives you the platform for attacking flair RL on a regular basis ala Wigan or Warrington is far harder and takes a lot longer to get right. Look how long it took both those two money bags clubs to get it right. It requires the right players and the right team structure and team spirit. The players who can do both week in week out - the hard yakka?? - as the Aussies call it are far thinner on the ground than your average decent player. Coaches know who they are but buying or keeping them for any length of time for a club like ours is almost impossible. These players are so in demand and so few.

Agar started the season not knowing how many of these players he had. He was fairly certain about Washbrook and Aiton - probably expected more from Southern. The rest he needed to get to know. He should know them by now and in the close season should get rid of a fair few. He will hopefully replace them with better tougher players who will allow us to play more often and not come unstuck if the game gets tight. If he doesn't do this he is a wally.

Kyle Wood is an obvious example. He has a decent but not exceptional attacking game. However he can't tackle and he never will - it's to late now to change him he's 22?. You can carry a genius but he isn't. English coaches need to address the fact that in RL the ability to defend/tackle is the most important core skill and the only one IMHO all players must have without exception - I don't care how big or fast they are.

Agar will have to address this in the close season. If he does we will be a much better team than this year - if he doesn't he will be out of a job. Over to you Richard, next season is the one big chance you have left. I sincerely wish you all the best, we all should.

Building a defensive structure which is what gives you the platform for attacking flair RL on a regular basis ala Wigan or Warrington is far harder and takes a lot longer to get right. Look how long it took both those two money bags clubs to get it right.

Agreed Vasty. Only thing i would pick up on is the above, as a quality coach at Wigan (Mcguire) managed to transform the Wigan defence in pretty much one off season. Yes they had decent players already, but they were decent players performing nowhere near the levels they were capable of, and it took a good coach to change that.

Both Warrington and Wigan didnt get it right until they managed to get a quality coach. Obviously we are not as big a draw as them but im just not sure RA is good enough even for our current level. Having said that, like the majority, i agree he shouldnt really be judged until next season. Hopefully he will prove us all wrong.

I wasn't excited in the slightest when he was announced as head coach, I reckon he's an assistant coach at best. We should have definitely had more wins this year but I don't think the defeats are down to Agar. Player and referee mistakes are to blame for us missing out on at least 6 points.

As many have already mentioned, next season will be the one to judge him on. Elston seemed to be doing all the player recruiting pre-Agar (whether Agar was giving him the nod of approval is unclear) so next season he should have his own team built. That will be when we can start to see where the team is going.

Added to all that, can you imagine what we would have been like if Morrison hadn't been injured pre season.
We would have had an experienced Captain and motivator on the field from the start.
He would have made a massive difference to this side imho.

Good point

I said exactly that to someone last night - Morro was a big presence on the field in both attack and defence and would have made a difference in some of the tighter games we've had this season.

For what its worth Agars super league record with Hull was- won 43,Drawn 1,lost 52 thats 45.3 %

The only reason we signed Aiton was because Morrison had to retire. Would have been nice to have both in the team together

And that is awful with the players he had. I am tired of commenting on Agar. He has no idea, end of story. We looked, for the greater part of most early games this year, a shambles, we still look a shambles and frankly, I can't believe how everyone can't see that. 6 1/2 / 10...you are kidding. We are clueless - and there are some decent players in that squad. For me they just look like a badly drilled bunch of players who don't really believe in what they are doing. Our 6 win haul is below what we should have had by 5 wins for me...the coach is the reason as far as I am concerned. Someone said his contract was 70k a year. HOWWWW the hell did we decide to pay someone with that win ratio at Hull that kind of money? And give him 3 years. I would seriously be looking at negotiating a pay off at the end of the season; this year is nearly as dismal as last year and that is simply nowhere near good enough for the investment made. We need to GET RID!!!! I hate having to say this. I just wanted the whole new era to be possitive, but we look so bad, I just think it has to be said.

Our weekly pathetic defensive display is unacceptable & it sits with the coach.
Yes, once the team runs out he can't do anything, but monday to Saturday at training he can.
And clearly hasn't addressed it. Bizarre interchanges, no ability to do anything to change a game, strange after match comments which always involves some phrase about the positives from the game - even after a shambolic 10-52 defeat.
I for 1 am not impressed

I wonder if people's hold the same view of Agar now as they did only a few weeks ago.

Probably not, but as soon as we next lose they'll be out waving their nooses in the air again.. sigh.