to the question, then god help us. Strong rumours that he was our frst choice until Millward put his hat in the ring, we lost out to Cas on Millward and now we are back in for Agar. Think the Supporters Trust people should be making the fans feelings know to the club as this would be a very unpopular move.

Some of the trust members have pointed it out a few times, at fans meetings and trust meetings.

The trust membership stands at just over 200, out of 5000 regular attendances i'd say thats pretty poor, if the trust stood in the thousands it would hold more sway but at this moment it does not

If Agar is the answer, the question must be:

"Who is the worst choice of Head Coach for WTW going forward?"

Can't believe the numbers are so low, particularly considering the turnout at the Cedar Court meeting. We have more than our fair share of fans with an opinion (including me) and the best way to get our message across is via the ST - The membership at 10 quid is nowt either.

Not sure if its been done, but could we not ask the club to give out information about the ST when people purchase season tickets and include details when they send their e-mails out to the database.

Edited for accuracy Bren

Goulding is such a ridiculous suggestion, I don't even include him in my considerations; I can't believe that any sensible person would let him anywhere near the job.

Information on joining the trust is in prime position on the counter at the shop, in full view when you pay but yes it could be worked differently by adding to E-mails and the like.

We all have opinions and we don't always agree but thats how it should be.

Elections coming up soon so lots of changes and improvements will hopefully be added and i'm sure it will grow, even if its slowly.

Daft thing is many who turned up at the first meet (when the other bloke was in charge) have not been seen since, its seems they don't feel its important now he's gone. Thats not really the way forward for a trust.

Yes its ridiculous and thats exactly why its a none starter.

I'm sure many feel now that, because the Trust cannot use shares to get a foothold into the club in terms of ownership, it runs the risk of just being a glorified supporters club. I think everyone shares the view that we should have been more proactive in setting this up earlier.

Membership of the Trust is poor in my opinion but as Al has said I think people were all for the Trust when the previous regime were in control and now the panic seems to be over. The Trust's main aim of holding shares in the Club remains althouth that is not possible at the moment, however the Trust wants to be the link between the Supporters and the Club and at the moment that is how the Club wants it to be also.

The larger the membership of the Trust then the louder our voice and the more we are listened to so I urge as many of you who are not already members to join.

The AGM of the Trust is coming up in November following which an elected Board will be in place. It will be up to that Board to look to increase Membership and drive the Trust forward and I would hope that the Board will look to ways to make Trust membership worthwhile and worth more than the £10 it costs to join.

On the Agar issue the Trust made its and the Supporters view clear at the last Board Meeting which was attended by James Elston which was that we did not want to see Richard Agar as Head Coach - we could not have made it clearer but we are not making the appointment.

At that meeting James said that Richard Agar had not applied for the position and therefore was not being interviewed but that was a month ago and lots have changed since then but for what it's worth I do not think Richard Agar will be Head Coach.

My personal opinion is that I would like to see an Australian as Head Coach who could bring ideas in coaching, conditionining, nutrition etc. as I feel they are ahead of us and we need a good shake up. I would also like to see a local coach as Assistant to be groomed to take over when the Aussie goes home.

It only runs that risk if the new board and the members vote to go that way ( the start up board as no intentions of becoming a supoporters club) the more people that run for election and join up that are wary of that the better. Shares or not the club AG/JE WILL listen to a group of fans that number in the thousands.

It should have been done years ago, anyone could have started this ball rolling but it never happened.

Heard the same rumour re Millward / Agar from a reliable source.....

I don't know whether that's aimed at me or not as I've never turned up to any meetings. I'm not sure if I'm a member or not but will get around to it at some point if the latter is the case. I have not got involved in the ST, but not due to any issues I have with it. I think it's great and I only wish it existed years ago. Personally I'm just a bit tired where Trinity is concerned. I've done my modest stint and it's a hard slog with few rewards, I'm just not up for any active involvement right now. Not complaining, perhaps I'm just weak.

Why others haven't jumped at the chance of joining I don't know, but if my experience with Squadbuilder is anything to go by you have already reached your peak, hope I'm wrong though

I can see where you are comming from. I was thinking the same last night at Leeds. How lucky they are, they just turn up and watch the game. They usually win and have reasonable surroundings to enjoy the game. Its all about the rugby to them and they don't have a care in the world in comparison to the hardcore Trinity fans.
Its an hard slog when your heart is involved with trinity and I still see a long difficult road ahead.

Its not aimed in any direction Vastman, just the general lack of support is imo poor.

If Agar is the best we can get I would offer John Kear a new deal I do not know what would p me off more signing Fozzard or setting a 2nd rate coach like Agar on

It wont happen will it ????

I dont know where all the Agar rumours have come from apart from the FC fans, as far as I know the new regime at FC are very happy with Rich and realise the problems he has had with injuries and such and that is why he is the one signing players for them next season, I will be amazed if he is not the FC coach next season.

I didn't think it was. I can't say I'm surprised, this club and these forums are full of windbags who don't practice what they preach. You can't say that but these days I can.

200 not as bad as I feared. However it's nowhere near enough to make a big difference IMHO. So all those expecting ST to work give the poor sods a chance and actually join rather than just moaning as per usual.

If I knew 25 years ago what I know now I would be a Leeds fan. As it was I picked Trinity and I just can't shake them off. It's seems a strange that someone who only moved to Wakefield aged 14 has the club deep in his heart whilst most born and bread don't. How you un tap that resource is anyone guess but someone needs to.

For starters, you run the club professionally and shake off the shambolic, self-interested, corner shop mentality that successive regimes have brought to bear.

If the club starts to take itself, its mission and its stakeholders seriously, the outside world will start to do the same.

Some simple ways to start that change of culture:

1. Appoint a HC who is actually a serious candidate, as opposed to a cheap option or someones mate.
2. Win some games.
3. Get a new stadium.

It's easy really.

I agree. Don't you think everyone who has ever got involved thought like that. You won't accept my word for it I know but it's just not that simple.

If running Leeds were a game it would be chess - so long as you don't make a wrong move you can't lose.

Trinity is like snakes and ladders it so random, I don't think I really need to explain any further.

I'm sure you think you could fix it with a plan and a spreadsheet but you couldn't....you really couldn't.

I now prepare myself for the standard allegations of being a Ted poodle,pessimist and anti AG and all his family.

Not at all - we're way past that; I prefer a grown-up discussion.

With respect to the snakes and ladders analogy - I wouldn't disagree entirely, but I do believe that such randomness is partly self-inflicted; what's the expression - "I'm a great believer in luck and I find that the harder I work, the more of it I have."

In short, if the club is run like a proper business, with a professional leader at the helm, a culture of quality and continuous improvement and with a clearly stated business plan that everyone can understand and buy into, then the tanker can be turned.

We're on the verge of having the best chance we've ever had of achieving a total transformation at WTW; there is a degree of alchemy involved I'll grant you that, because sports businesses are a bit different to other businesses, but the majority of it is still fairly simple science - there are rules and if they're followed, they work.

I'm told by AG himself that he has a ten year plan - that, for me, is a realistic and achievable timescale within which to complete the total re-engineering of WTW; it might not be soon enough for some of the more short-sighted or impatient people on here, but I guarantee that it will be enough for the casually interested latent support out there, that outnumbers us eejits by about 1000:1. If AG gets it right and things start to fall into place, there's no question in my mind that they'll be back.

Interesting times!

Ok. Agar isn't THAT bad of a coach. Infact, he's really good at some aspects of the job. He took over a really poor Hull FC side and has taken us to a CC final. He also took us from 11th in the league to 1 game away from 4th last year. He's good at improving players game (IMO). Manu, Tickle, Briscoe, Moa, Houghton have all improved in the last couple of seasons. He also makes good signings - whether that is because of the Hull FC name or not and whether he could replicate that at Wakefield I don't know. He has some strong ties to places like Featherstone too.

There are 2 things that he does badly IMO. The first is getting the players' in the right mindset. I honestly believe all the players like him and are motivated to play for him but I'm not sure if he can get the players' in the right mindset to beat teams like Saints/Warrington on a consistent basis. The second thing is his tactics, at times, are completely baffling. His use of substitutes is strange too.

Wakefield, for me, are one of the worst teams in the league. I think Agar can take you from basement dwellers to play-off makers with the right backing. Further than that, I don't think so.

In which case, keep him - I think speak for all of us when I say that WE DO NOT want Agar at WTW; he would be absolutely the wrong coach for us and would offer no improvement at all on Mr Kear.

His appointment would be be, in his own slightly illiterate words, "absolute baffling."

So can Kear but we need more than that which is why Kear is leaving and is why so many fans dont want Agar.

We are the worst team in the league just look at the table. However we have in recent years been a top 6 club play off makers as you say and only lost to Agars Hull on goal kicks for a CCup final - very very far from the cellar dwellers you slightly condecending post suggests . In fact we were until this year about the same as Hull FC.

So we do have expectations higher than just getting us off the bottom in what has not been a typical season. To get us to where Kear had us two years ago will take a lot of doing. If Agar could manage that I'd be happy - but he couldn't do it with you so I can't see him doing it with us so no thanks.