Yes you do. I think Wigan will win a Saints V Wigan Grand final. I expect us(Wire) to lose surprisingly in the second round of playoffs to HKR.

If we cut out our silly penalty's then we will win no problem stupid mistakes have lost us both those games.

I wouldn't go that far, but it'd be a start!

Best quote on this topic:
"Losing to evenly matched rivals is NOT bottling"

which is exactly what has happened against Leeds, Saints & Wire this year.

That's a crazy thing to say.

Have you watched many grand finals?

Most are low in errors and penalties.

Both teams will want it just as much.

It comes down top who simply plays the best, if the games close, who will come up with the crucial game breaking plays at the right times?

I just think saints and wire are more likely to produce the game breaking plays than wigan. I don't know why. You'll obviously disagree.

Alot of wigans trys come from great team play but in grand finals defences tend to be tight and the trys come from individual skill, for me saints and wire are more likely to produce this.

All of them thanks and been watching Rugby League since 1962 thanks. I was pointing out the fact that in most games we have lost this year it was due to us giving away stupid penalty's and field position. If we tighten up our discipline we are more than a match for any team as we have proved over the season.
I think you will find that we can produce a few trys from individual brilliance.
For the record i have been to 8 Grand Finals and also put them on video/dvd and have been to every challenge cup final since 1980 apart from the last 2.