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| Credit to KR, we were essentially chasing a penalty for 40 minutes, we had tons of the ball but they kept turning up and defending, and defending cleanly.
We desperately lack a bit of deception and trickery at hooker. And before anyone jumps on Crowther, he was the only one to challenge them out of acting half and nearly got over in the first half. So much time on their line and we just needed to manufacture a little 1vs 1 on the line, we always get caught with it when the fullback is in the line and we get isolated (see Wakefield (a)).
Tai would want a few of his first half chances again, there were two that ended up bombed, but also a chance where Dufty skirts across Lewis and Lewis chases hard leaving a huge gap to turn Tai on the inside and we end up running out of room.
Frustrating to be beaten through our defending of kicks though, it’s been a theme in various aspects throughout. The Lindop drop out, Dufty caught one but had his back turned when it was taken, I think they won a contested drop out too, and ultimately the try which we simply must do better on, but all of these are repeats from errors earlier in the season. Frustrating, but you don’t always get what you deserve.
Big week this week, Leeds are no push over. But we need a win, and we need to keep that going into Hudds, Hull FC, Salford, Catalan, Cas… if we can get a bit of momentum going, we could satisfy the table before we get into the tail end really.
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| Richard Shanks:
I have referred to the laws of the game themselves to try to resolve (in my own mind, at least) the issue surrounding the efficacy or otherwise of the decision around the winning try and, indeed, the words that have been used both by Jon Wilkin during Saturday's broadcast and subsequently allegedly confirmed by the RFL.
It would appear to me that the issue is dealt with by the definition of two terms included in the laws Section 2 Glossary.
The first of these is the term "touch down" which is officially defined as : "the INTENTIONAL grounding of the ball by a defending player in their own in-goal" (capitalisation mine)
That then moves you on to having to understand the definition of "grounding the ball" which is officially defined as :-
a) placing the ball on the ground with hand or hands, or:- b) exerting downward pressure on the ball with hand
or arm, the ball itself being on the ground, or:- c) dropping on the ball and covering it with the part
of the body above the waist and below the neck, the
ball itself being on the ground.
The combination of those two definitions in no way distinguishes between attacker or defender in the methods of achieving grounding of the ball and to suggest that the laws make such a distinction is disingenuous at best. What's more, you can't interpret a law by removing unilaterally from it one of the three methods specifically provided within it.
The only difference between attacker and defender is the introduction of the concept of intention to the defender's actions, which is a different kettle of fish altogether.
If it is true that the RFL, as reported, have jumped to the defence of the match-day officials by confirming Jon Wilkin's assertion that a defender can not ground a ball with his torso, that begs two questions of them:-
1. Where is the evidence of that by reference to the laws of the game? 2. Why have they not made reference to all the decisions that the match-day officials got wrong (as evidenced by the findings of the MRP today) which, if sanctioned at the time in line with the MRP findings, would have resulted in the issue of yellow and (in the incidence of the alleged spitting incident) red cards, which would inevitably had a significant impact on the outcome of such a tight match?
I accept that the latter point raises a number of additional and wider issues over the different ways in which match incidents are viewed by the match-day officials (and the role of the video referee is the key one here with his ability to intervene) and the MRP/disciplinary. There was doubtless an intention to keep such a high-profile game 13 v 13 (remember what happened last year with the early sin-binnings of Mike Cooper and Matt Dufty) and on the basis that potentially punishable incident would balance each other out (which they clearly didn't on Saturday to the ultimate benefit of the perpetrators.
Of course, I may be wrong over my reading of the laws of the game and would not be averse to accepting an evidenced rebuttal of the position outlined above, preferably by the RFL or Mr. Wilkin!!
Have you been living under a rock, don’t you know the RFL make it up as they go along. And as for Wilkin well he will say and do anything that keeps media attention on him and in a job. End of the day it was a farce and nothing can be done about the result now which is a shame. Just the incompetence of the powers that be are sucking the life out of this sport and I don’t see it improving any time soon unless we sell out to the NRL which I’m starting to think will not happen because club owners don’t want to give up their train sets. By the way your post was a good read.
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| I intend to send death threats to Smith, Wilkin and Moore, publish the fatwah in the Matchday programme for the next month and to still be bitter about this in 2031 and thereby earn my True Saints Fan Badge!
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| There are plenty of grey areas in rugby league regarding interpretation & implementation of rules ,all the way from what we saw on Saturday through forward passes ,perceived knock-ons even the refs interpretation of dangerous play. The referee plays just as important a part as the teams in determining a result. No wonder the judiciary get so much stick when the rules are open to enabling right or wrong decisions.
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| My issue here is not with the interpretation of the laws (I agree that there will inevitably be many grey areas in the interpretation of the laws in a wide array of sports), but of the apparent misrepresentation of the laws in this instance, where it has been put forward as a matter of fact that the use of the torso to ground the ball applies only to an attacker and not a defender, but the law as written explicitly does not make that distinction. Saying that it does to justify or (if the ball was on the other foot) to impugn a decision is clearly simply wrong. The problem is that, if it is said with such authority as has happened in this instance, and without proper challenge, it ends up either becoming the truth or, at least, being accepted as such.
Unfortunately, the forceful and quasi-authoritative dissemination of inaccuracies and untruths has become an increasingly worrying feature of society generally, led by governments and big business whose poor examples are regretfully replicated in nearly all aspects that effect our daily lives.
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| Smiffy27:
With the drop goal ideas it is so easy to look back and say we should have done this or that. It is very very rare for sides to go for a drop goal when they are four points up. It just does not happen. If they'd have missed I can imagine most would say "Why the hell are they going for a drop goal ... what a daft idea".
Remember that time we played Halifax away and Briers kicked 5 drop goals and we still lost. Maybe if he'd kept putting it in goal to force them to do repeat sets we might have tired them out and scored 2 tries or more?
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