Im a leeds fan, our signing of Harris worked out quite well for us (so did the bulls signing of him

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Im saying the RFL can punish Bradford if they see fit, if this is the result of it then they are responsible for that.

You have to ask yourself what is 'rightly' punishing Bradford. Is it sticking to some principle? If it is, and this is the result then the RFL are responsible for it. You can argue they were right to stick by their principle but you can't argue that the results of them sticking by their principle wasnt down to them. It unarguably is!

the 'right' decision can have negative consequences, but you can't argue that those consequences werent consequences of that decision being made.

I would think that the vast majority of RL fans feel for the long suffering supporters of the Bradford Bulls. Even the apologetic brigade such as yourself, Aardvark, Adeybull etc, but you don't make it easy for us to support your viewpoint by your scattergun approach to dealing with questions regarding your club.

Good luck in the lower divisions....Skolars will have a plastic pitch next year

aww sweetie. I dont want to be arrogant but i doubt very much my team will be playing in the lower leagues next year considering we have never, in over a hundred years of history done so!

www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/29 ... ford-bulls

www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/29 ... ford-bulls

that is the most disappointing statement of the lot. If all that is true, how the hell have the RFL allowed Bradford to start the season?

RFL Statement. I'm no expert on this, but on the 7th Feruary, wasn't the club in the hands of the administrators?
Could Mark Moore etc ask for this from the RFL?
Again i'm no expert, what i do know is this is one hell of a mess




RFL Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer has issued the following statement in response to criticism of the governing body’s action during the most recent insolvency event at Bradford Bulls:

“It is disappointing and disingenuous for Bradford Bulls to suggest that the RFL has acted in any manner other than fairly and properly throughout a crisis which is entirely of the club’s own making.

“The root cause of the current situation is the failed attempt by Mark Moore and Ryan Whitcut to use the club’s own money to purchase Bradford Bulls from Omar Khan, who had left the club in a parlous state.

“Had Mr Moore not refused to honour the agreement he signed to buy the club from Mr Khan, Bradford Bulls would not be where they are today.

“Throughout our dealings with them, the club’s directors were unable to provide any evidence of new capital investment into Bradford Bulls and consequently, the RFL Executive had no confidence in the business plan that was presented.

“At no stage was there a firm written commitment from the directors to meet the liabilities: in particular, HMRC would have been left with an unpaid liability of almost £170,000.

“In the last six months two other clubs have had to restructure their businesses, introduce new investment from owners and release players to avoid administration. For Bradford to effectively drop off debt as a result of the administration without a points deduction would have significantly impaired the integrity of the competition.

“At a meeting with the club’s directors on February 7 they informed the RFL that they needed a further £500,000 of investment or advances of broadcast monies in order to continue to trade.

“We have seen nothing further from the directors to suggest that situation has improved. Indeed their business plan revealed yet another attempt to buy the club with its own money.

“We will continue to work with the administrator to find a solvent and viable solution for the club and will provide an update to the other First Utility Super League clubs at their scheduled meeting tomorrow.”

Fair play! My apologies for the accusationicon_wink.gif

Were in danger of getting quite philosophical here, because I'd argue the initial action must take responsibility for its consequences, and all further consequences from that. A pebble falling into a pond is responsible for all it's ripples, not just it's first.

So Bradford's actions of financial trouble, led to a points deduction which led to Moore walking out (which regardless of where the blame lies for this whole situation, I hold Moore responsible for leaving the club - especially after all the talk of were in this together and for the club stuff said to keep the players together) - there's no rfl pebble in that (as it were)

I feel for the Bradford fans, and the players and staff, but the point deduction was correct.

Tough talking there by Rimmer, looks like there will be blood on the carpet.

No,I genuinely feel sorry for Bradford fans and proper RL fans. I only take delight in seeing trolls like you getting their ar5e handed to them.

rfl on bbc radio leeds for those who fancy a listen.

Stole the Bulls money








You mean the money they offered as a sweetener to stay in Super League the 1st time they went bust ?

That's actually quite ironic and funny considering Bradford are in this mess in the 1st place for 'stealing' their creditors money for years on end !
Maybe they should give back all the begging money they 'stole' off other fans and clubs to pay one of their previous directors so he would bugger off !

Please dont come on here playing the hard done to card .....Bradford Bulls have only themselves to blame for this mess.

The RFL should never have agreed to cut the Bulls money. The Precedent was set with Wakey & Crusaders. It was an awful mistake by the RFL to allow that to happen and we wouldn't be in this mess now.

Unfortunately another catalog of error from OK and the RW (putting it nicely) after this decision was made have resulted in the club in this mess again.

Would love to have being a fly on the wall when Moore etc were with the RFL trying to buy the club off OK and what REALLY happened. Alas we will never know, i don't think either party are faultless in this however.

Hope Richard Lamb comes to the rescue though!

Thats 6 points we wont get now

If a solution that keeps everyone "happy" is found to those situations, you take it - whilst in hindsight the tv money deal is stupid, it's not the rfls fault for accepting it! Any solution is better than no solution!

Whatever has gone on, I (as I keep saying) hope the Bradford pit doesn't get any deeper!

This mr lamb seems still interested, and has his head screwed on about it, maybe sanity at last?

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That statement sems to be what most posters on here have been saying yet FA and the other apologists have said it is not true.

I await with baited breath FA's suggestion and legal arguement on why the RFL have behaved illegally and that the Coourt of arbitration in Europe are now looking into it. Despite this i still think that the Bulls sqaud as it is will not go down but if it goes into admin or liquidation all the answers are going to be provided off field rather than onfield and that is the sad thing for the Bulls and their decent supporters.

The worst thing about the RFL is that they should have dealt with this before the season started and the Bulls should have been admitted only if the proper finances and plans were in place.

It is appalling that this is now going on mid season when we should be talking about the game on the pitch.

Either specify what you claim I have said that "is not true" so i can respond, or shut the feck up.


Idiot. The RFL can do, and does do, whatever it wants. While I might forgive less illustrious posters, I don't believe that YOU are unaware that I actually quoted the rules in particular that rule which allows the RFL to impose these sanctions or any it feels like imposing. And have never even hinted that a points deduction and/or financial sanction is or even might be illegal or subject to court challenge. So it is disgraceful that you should single me out by name for such a gratuitous jibe. Your strange attempt at personal staking is though just your usual malicious wittery. You're useless at it too.


About as appalling as your conduct in making unwarranted personal jibes.

Of course not.......

You was in a mess long before this

I find it unbelievable that the directors have come out with the statement they have.

Seems they are playing hardball, so another Bulls owner or prospective owner not wanting to play by the rules.

It's widely known that 6 points is the penalty, saying they feel the RFL have not supported the Bulls is somewhat laughable, given the outrage to the loans, the hands off players. etc.

I had no issue with the Bulls to this point, but now I just don't care any longer. If they get another owner fine. But I've lost any patience with even trying to justify that they have not been treated favorably. If they wish to die as a club then let them die. Given all the talk about cutting their costs, maybe a fan take over for £1 will be fine as they would still be able to run from the same finances.

I'd expect some will have a field day with this as they genuinely wanted the Bulls gone. For me I've just given up caring anymore.

Cutting through all the (no pun intended) bull, it seems that the Bulls 2014 consortium had either no will to or no funds to actually invest in the Bulls as a club. Asking for another £500k weeks, if not days after getting £300k from sky, means they were right up against it.

Where has all the money from Season tickets gone?

A very rough and underestimation of 4000 ST's at £200 a pop gives you £800k, in the last few months.
Add sponsorship money and youve got at least the same again.

I suggested earlier in this thread (about 90 pages ago!) that all clubs should be flush at this point in the year. Its in 6 months when the ST and sponsorship money's been spent they will struggle. How can they have no money now??

After reading that RFL statement again it seems the RFL are now agreeing that the bulls haven't been playing to the same rules with regard to cutting their cloth and shedding players when they should have done like Wakey and Cas have.

I'd guess most of that was paid to the 'OK' incarnation and any that hadn't been spent would have gone with the administration.

Okbulls were in charge, up until they went into administration, so I imagine everything up until the 31st of January (I think) will have gone into oks attempts of clawing back some of the money he invested into the club after mark Moore announced to the world he wouldn't pay a penny back ...

Sums up why so many Wakey fans feel the the Bulls have played by a different set of rules all along.

But we've been told we are wrong by the VT bullies.